Latest Diablo 3 News
DiabloWiki Updates
Support the site! Become a Diablo: IncGamers PAL - Remove ads and more!

Kicksin's Weapon

Discussion in 'Assassin' started by Mr.Bogohossian, Mar 31, 2004.

  1. Mr.Bogohossian

    Mr.Bogohossian Banned

    Joined:
    Feb 5, 2004
    Messages:
    876
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Kicksin's Weapon

    I am stuck between using either a stregth runeword made out of a greater talon or a shaeld bartuc. both will require 30% more ias to hit 7 frame.
    stats are follow on bartuc
    Weapon Speed: [-30]
    30% Faster Hit Recovery
    20% Bonus To Attack Rating
    5-9% Life Stolen Per Hit (varies)
    +20 To Strength
    +20 To Dexterity
    +2 To Assassin Skill Levels
    +1 To Martial Arts Skills

    On a stregth runeword you get
    35% Enhanced Damage
    25% Chance Of Crushing Blow
    7% Life Stolen Per Hit
    +2 To Mana After Each Kill
    +20 To Strength
    +10 To Vitality

    Stregth has 10 less stat points povided, 20% less ar, and 3 skills short, but it has 25% crushing blow. Really hard choice to make.

    also on a sidenote, for pvp, venom or fade? and psn/elemental charms do stack with kicks right? just wanna comfirm this.
     
  2. Zero-unit

    Zero-unit IncGamers Member

    Joined:
    Dec 25, 2003
    Messages:
    532
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    105
    If it were to be any of the two, I'de definatly choose Bartucs. Has basically all you want for a kicker (AR, skills, Str, Dex.) if your doing PvP Crushing Blow is kinda usless for that. And for the Venom/Fade question i would not suggest using fade with a kicker unless your weapon is a Beast runeword it would simply be too slow, for me Venom is a must for any melee Assassin.

    [email protected]~
     
  3. Zarhrezz

    Zarhrezz IncGamers Member

    Joined:
    Jul 3, 2003
    Messages:
    1,349
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    255
    *chuckle* It's perfectly well possible to get 7/2/2/2/... with Fade. A -30 WSM weapon (Greater/Runic Talons, Phase Blades) needs 50% for 7fpa base attack and 55% for 2fpa followup. My mid-level Talonsin uses Coldsteel Eye with Shael and Iratha's Set (20% IAS partial set bonus on gloves) giving her 7/2/... at level 31. A -20 WSM needs 70%/80% respectively which is somewhat harder but also well possible. I perfer using a quick weapon and Fade (to get max resists and %PDR alot easier) over a slow weapon and increased running speed.
     
  4. Pent

    Pent IncGamers Member

    Joined:
    Jun 22, 2003
    Messages:
    334
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    77
    I get 7/2/2/2/ on my diablo clone killer kicker
    and I use fleshripper, which is a -20 weapon with no ias on it :eek: (I shaeled it)

    Kingslayer would be a perfect weapon, since it has 30% IAS *and* everything that fleshripper has + more
     
  5. wy4251

    wy4251 IncGamers Member

    Joined:
    Jun 22, 2003
    Messages:
    74
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    26
    Beast is my favorite

    Fanat aura (ed and ar and speed), CB, OW, +40 str, 40 Ias.. blahblah
     
  6. Zero-unit

    Zero-unit IncGamers Member

    Joined:
    Dec 25, 2003
    Messages:
    532
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    105
    I agree, if your a Fade/Kicker Beast would be the best choice. Has all you'd want for one.

    [email protected]~
     
  7. Zarhrezz

    Zarhrezz IncGamers Member

    Joined:
    Jul 3, 2003
    Messages:
    1,349
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    255
    Too bad the runes for Beast aren't readilly available in hack/dupe-free play...I play clean Single Player and have never seen anything drop higher than Um (though I haven't ran Countess much, but even then anything higher than Ist is 'once every few years' material).
    Just for comparison's sake: Tyreal's Might (the rarest unique I believe) has about 2 in a million chance to drop from a Unique pit monster (250% mf) and about 1 in a million chance to drop from a Champion pit monster. The best drop chance for Ber (other than 1st kill Duriel) is about 1 in a million from Ghosts/Apparitions/Dark Shapes/Gloams/Specters/Stranglers in an 8 player Hell game. Now one can of course kill normal monsters in higher quantities than Uniques/Champions but the thing is that Tyrael's Might cannot drop from a normal monster due to it's ilvl. If we look at Templar's Might we see that the normal monsters with the best drop chance for it have about 1.15 in a million chance to drop it, which is better than the best possible chance for a Ber.

    Of course Beast is the perfect weapon for a kicksin...but the odds of finding the required runes is just so much smaller than most any unique/set item in the game that counting on ever finding it is pretty much irrational.
     
  8. Naliworld

    Naliworld IncGamers Member

    Joined:
    Jun 22, 2003
    Messages:
    916
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    120
    Just curious, are you using BoS or Fade? If Fade, how do you manage to scrape together 78% IAS to reach the 7/2 breakpoint, even with a Shael'ed Fleshripper? I'm thinking of Shael + 15% IAS socket in Rattlecage and Guilliaume's Face, but that's still 28% short.

    I was considering a 20% IAS glove and Goldwrap, but that would mean giving up Dracul's Grasp...ahh, decisions, decisions....
     
  9. lesofprimus

    lesofprimus IncGamers Member

    Joined:
    Jul 6, 2003
    Messages:
    49
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    20
    Nali....
    Would u recommend usin Draculs over a pair of +2 MA gloves for a TS/DTailer??? I have like 3 pair, but never tried em on my Sin..

    Wait, I take that back.. I tried em on 1 time to see if the Lifetap fires off and it took like a minute for it to cast...

    What do u recommend there??
     
  10. Shadoway

    Shadoway IncGamers Member

    Joined:
    Nov 1, 2003
    Messages:
    561
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    120
    I think Twitchthroe is much better than Rattlecage. Really 75% CB is good enough(35% helm, 25% weapon, 15% boots), plus that monster fleeing thing is annoying.
     
  11. Naliworld

    Naliworld IncGamers Member

    Joined:
    Jun 22, 2003
    Messages:
    916
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    120
    Shadoway: Thanks for the suggestion! Hadn't considered Twitchthroe, despite just finding it while MFing. The Hit Causes Monster to Flee doesn't seem like much of a problem in Hell, though.

    Looks like I won't have to sacrifice Dracul's after all. :)

    lesofprimus: Like you found out, Life Tap simply doesn't trigger often enough with TS/DTail to make sacrificing your Glove slot worth it. The only two builds I'd recommend it to would be DTalon or perhaps pure DC.
     

Share This Page