kicks & ctc items

[tigercan]

kicks & ctc items

Hi all,

Long time D2 vet here but relatively new to the assassin class.
I'm building a kick/trap hybrid and am confused about kicks and ctc items:

I read jrichards most excellent kicking basics guide, and it states that ctc is carried over to kicks.
On the other hand, silentshadow's k/t guide states that ctc won't work with kicks.

Which is it?

Is it possible to edit one of those guides so that newcomers to the class don't get confused?

Thanks!

 

[Master Zap]

ctc's do work on kicks, perhaps better then any other melee build due to getting 6 kicks per cycle (maxed dtalon) at speeds faster then any other melee.

For this reason ColdKill hatchet is a pretty nifty early leveling wep on my kickers. I also like crecent moon and Lawbringer for its ctc's on kickers. Lawbringer adds so much saftey!

As a Avid MA sin player , Vouch that this list is accurate.
http://forums.diabloii.net/showthread.php?t=127905
Effects and the kick skills

The following effects are carried by the kicking skills:
? Life Leech
? Mana Leech
? Elemental Damage
? Magical Damage
? Chance to cast X on striking
? Crushing Blow
? Open Wounds
? Prevent Monster Heal
? Ignore Target Defense
? Hit Blinds Target
? Hit Causes Monster to Flee
? Hit Freezes target
? Hit Slows Target


The following effects are not carried by the kick skills:
? + Physical damage. This includes + Min damage, + Max damage, and plain + damage modifiers.
? Deadly Strike
? Critical strike
As of the writing of this, there is a problem with ED/Max damage jewels. They don't apply the ED, just the Max damage. As kicks do not carry + Max damage modifiers, this means that an ED/Max damage jewel will not affect your kick damage at all even if the jewel is in a non-weapon socket.

 

[tigercan]

hmmm...interesting.

That "Rift" runeword just got a whole lot more appealing. Lawbringer looks nice too.

Thanks for the info

 

[stephan]

These are two different CtCs.

One is on attack, which doesn't work. The other is on striking, which does work.

Both guides are correct.

Lawbringer and Rift are two very mediocre kicking weapons.

 

[mephiztophelez]

Lawbringer and Rift are two very mediocre kicking weapons.

while Stormlash and Crescent Moon are both excellent kicking weapons.

 

[Silent Shaddow]

Hi all,

Long time D2 vet here but relatively new to the assassin class.
I'm building a kick/trap hybrid and am confused about kicks and ctc items:

I read jrichards most excellent kicking basics guide, and it states that ctc is carried over to kicks.
On the other hand, silentshadow's k/t guide states that ctc won't work with kicks.

Which is it?

Is it possible to edit one of those guides so that newcomers to the class don't get confused?

Thanks!

It does :shocked:

ok thanks, will take a look at it.

Edit: Looked at it, stephan is correct but I do think in the right situation Lawbringer can be an awesome weapon but most of the time it is very 'mediocre'. actually looking back I do think that I over sold it in my guide, but then again looking that guide as a whole it seems fairly single minded. It was writen before the ladder resest with limited knowledge of untiwnked play etc.

 

[stephan]

Your guide is correct Silent Shadow. Please don't change that part.

 

[Silent Shaddow]

I wont, thing im glad I did do is looked into that kind of imformation carefully. I have been meaning to rewrite it tho, probably when i get to uni. Anyfeed back would be welcome.

 

[GandalfTheGhey]

These are two different CtCs.

One is on attack, which doesn't work. The other is on striking, which does work.

Both guides are correct.

Lawbringer and Rift are two very mediocre kicking weapons.

UH..... Lawbringer is a godly kicking weapon. I have a PVM MA assassin that is using it right now.

Decrepify. Slows, makes you do more damage, makes your death sentry do more damage.... just godly.

Sanctuary is very nice also.

 

[phool]

UH..... Lawbringer is a godly kicking weapon. I have a PVM MA assassin that is using it right now.

Decrepify. Slows, makes you do more damage, makes your death sentry do more damage.... just godly.

Sanctuary is very nice also.

Only one little problem... RIP so no death sentry.

 

[Zigot_HD]

UH..... Lawbringer is a godly kicking weapon. I have a PVM MA assassin that is using it right now.

Decrepify. Slows, makes you do more damage, makes your death sentry do more damage.... just godly.

Sanctuary is very nice also.

Lawbringer is a cheap, effective and awesome weapon for a kicker...
I've been using it on my pvm assy Baal/Ubers runner for years...

Extremely safe in Uber tristram!!

 

[stephan]

UH..... Lawbringer is a godly kicking weapon. I have a PVM MA assassin that is using it right now.

Decrepify. Slows, makes you do more damage, makes your death sentry do more damage.... just godly.

You can't use Death Sentry with Lawbringer unless you let your merc kill everything. RIP screws that up nicely.

With a little extra effort you could make a Crescent Moon PB instead, which is 10 times more useful. If you want to help your overall damage, static is really the way to do it. Especially in higher player games where Death Sentry and CB start lagging behind.

Extremely safe in Uber tristram!!

I could see how it would be useful there.

 

[mmmpld]

20% Chance To Cast Level 15 Decripify On Striking

How does Decripify compare to Life Tap?

 

[Silent Shaddow]

it increases damage delt to them 50% (multiplicative, not additive) slows them right down nicely and reduces their damage

if you compare safety,
life tap>decrep but only just.

 

[Delreich]

it increases damage delt to them 50% (multiplicative, not additive)

Not quite. It lowers physical resist by 50%, which is the same as increasing
damage by 50% for someone with 0% phys-res, but for someone with 50%
phys-res it increases damage by 100%.

 

[mephiztophelez]

With a little extra effort you could make a Crescent Moon PB instead, which is 10 times more useful.....

STORMLASH!!!!

ber it if you must, it's an AWESOME pvm kick wep.

 

[Von Lazuli]

Crescent moon costs a little more than an Um... A Ber'd stormlash, despite its brilliance comes out at a little more than that. Sorry... I misuse little, I mean a lot. It is indeed an awesome weapon though, but Crescent offers a lot for a lot less...

Static is just too powerful, I wonder why sorceresses use it so infrequently?

Laz

 

[stephan]

A stormlash is worth less than an um? Just shows how much I know about Battlenet prices. :embarassed: