kickassy lets brainstorm

lone_wolf

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kickassy lets brainstorm

ok im on the move to mat(yeah i though i could stop but i was just fooling myself) a kickassy so now i wonder what people here things is the best equipment for her excluding boots and weapons.

so now what armour,helm,gloves do you think are best for this build???

aka dtalon and traps
 

Vorbiss

Diabloii.Net Member
lone_wolf said:
ok im on the move to mat(yeah i though i could stop but i was just fooling myself) a kickassy so now i wonder what people here things is the best equipment for her excluding boots and weapons.

so now what armour,helm,gloves do you think are best for this build???

aka dtalon and traps
CoH/Enigma Archon [Whatever you have, I assume you posses one(everyone does :p )], Crown of Ages sock with whatever you decide, and Dracul's, of course. Ok, maybe you don't have godly CoA, so Shako always do the job. :)
 

lone_wolf

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Vorbiss said:
CoH/Enigma Archon [Whatever you have, I assume you posses one(everyone does :p )], Crown of Ages sock with whatever you decide, and Dracul's, of course. Ok, maybe you don't have godly CoA, so Shako always do the job. :)
CoH is on my hammerdin, draculas on my zealot :p so no way to use them.

why crown of ages???
 

Vorbiss

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lone_wolf said:
CoH is on my hammerdin, draculas on my zealot :p so no way to use them.

why crown of ages???
You don't "dupe" gear for personal purpose? Well, I do. I mean, all my melee chars have my CoH Wire, saves the time to transfer it every time I decide to play one of them. Hope this isn't "unlegit"...If I ever decide to trade it away(never will happen), I'll delete the dupes, et voila. Nothing bad imo...

Anyhow, CoA gives you res, %DR and 1 to all skills, +up to 2 sock, very customisable(sp?) hat. If you plan on using Fade however, you won't need this. Otherwise it's the best choise IMHO. :)
 

lone_wolf

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Vorbiss said:
You don't "dupe" gear for personal purpose? Well, I do. I mean, all my melee chars have my CoH Wire, saves the time to transfer it every time I decide to play one of them. Hope this isn't "unlegit"...If I ever decide to trade it away(never will happen), I'll delete the dupes, et voila. Nothing bad imo...

Anyhow, CoA gives you res, %DR and 1 to all skills, +up to 2 sock, very customisable(sp?) hat. If you plan on using Fade however, you won't need this. Otherwise it's the best choise IMHO. :)
i never do so.

anyway right now she uses

gulliames face sockeded with 14%res all jewel
lion heart wire fleece armour

and vorbiss this lady is level 77;) no plan on getting fade now
 

Crazy Runner Guy

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My set up is:

Rockstopper
Cat's Eye
Manald
Ravenfrost
Dracul's Grasp
Lionheart (CoH>Enigma here)
T-God's
P-Diamond Stormshield
Bartuc's (Eth'd)

and these:

Shadow's Gore Rider
Myrmidon Greaves
Defense: 174
Durability: 34 of 34
Kick Damage: 83 to 149
Required Strength: 156
Required Level: 72
Item Version: 1.10 Expansion
Item Level: 87
Fingerprint: 0x5ada07cd
+20 to Maximum Stamina
+182% Enhanced Defense
+10 Maximum Durability
Requirements -25%
30% Faster Run/Walk
10% Chance of Open Wounds
15% Chance of Crushing Blow
15% Deadly Strike

and 5 MA charms in inventory.

She tops out at 24k Kick damage. I'm quite happy with that. I also have a GF for bosses.

EDIT: I maxed TS, D-Tail, Lightning Sentry and working on Death sentry, one in every pre-req.
 

Select

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I would say stick with Guilliaums face; that crushing blow helps a lot...

Lion heart is a very good choice of armor i say stick with it.

Nofs, coil is very good too, verdungos if youre low on life. T Gods for places like the deserts with all them damned LEs.

Raven frost and a dual leach ring or res ring are bitchen.

crafted blood gloves with 2MA skills and 20 IAS.

Maras ammy is nice...cats eye is nice, you decide.

just make sure to get close to 50% crushing blow and some sort of Open wounds....
 

lone_wolf

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Crazy Runner Guy said:
My set up is:

Rockstopper
Cat's Eye
Manald
Ravenfrost
Dracul's Grasp
Lionheart (CoH>Enigma here)
T-God's
P-Diamond Stormshield
Bartuc's (Eth'd)

and these:

Shadow's Gore Rider
Myrmidon Greaves
Defense: 174
Durability: 34 of 34
Kick Damage: 83 to 149
Required Strength: 156
Required Level: 72
Item Version: 1.10 Expansion
Item Level: 87
Fingerprint: 0x5ada07cd
+20 to Maximum Stamina
+182% Enhanced Defense
+10 Maximum Durability
Requirements -25%
30% Faster Run/Walk
10% Chance of Open Wounds
15% Chance of Crushing Blow
15% Deadly Strike

and 5 MA charms in inventory.

She tops out at 24k Kick damage. I'm quite happy with that. I also have a GF for bosses.

EDIT: I maxed TS, D-Tail, Lightning Sentry and working on Death sentry, one in every pre-req.
nice CRG how do you handle FI???

could never do that when i tested a dtail assy

ohh and mayby it would help to give you some ida what she uses

helm gulliames face sockeded with 14% res all jewel
crescant moon ammy
lion heart wire fleece
t-gods
raven
carrion wind
upgraded gore raiders
weapon 1 tuc
weapon 2 jade talon 49% res all
lava gout for gloves

all res maxed in hell

level 24 dtalon

make about 716-1174 kick damage so

about 3580-5870 in reality

any great ideas about how to improve this damage a fair bit???
 

Crazy Runner Guy

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well, I have slvl 28 D-tail/TS, so that helps **just** a little bit. As for FI's, I haven't had a problem with them yet. Merc's do lot of killing here, along with traps while they are under Cloak and mind blast. The thing is, the splash damage from te kick is all fire, so that doesn't do any damage, but I still kill just fine. Lightning sentry is being used VERY frequently now, as it does a respectable damage. IMO, you don't need C-Moon. You just don't need that much Mana leech when you have Cobra Strike. I run around with manald as my only ML, and cobra strike is my best friend.

Get some MA charms. Since damage percentages for D-Tail are multiplied to whatever charge is up, the + skills scales dramatically. My multipliers are 1920% from TS and 320% from D-Tail, for a total multiplier of 614,400%, which is a rediculuous amount. I believe it it possible to get around 40k damage, as strijdje calulated earlier, since a titan-kickassin would benefit from the enourmous strength to grad proportions.

Some stats:

Life: 1216
Mana: 198
3 TS kick: 24k with Drac's, 26k with gloves below
Listed kick (no mods): 1623-2815
res: 19/75/30/-31 in act 3 hell (no hell anya yet)

Stats (base):
STR: 198 (91
Dex: 178 (103) (max block at clvl 78)
Vita: 306 (251)
NRG: 35 (25)

Gloves used till Drac's:

Viper Clutches
Sharkskin Gloves
Defense: 76
Durability: 14 of 14
Required Strength: 20
Required Level: 35
Item Version: 1.10 Expansion
Item Level: 75
Fingerprint: 0x80cd45d4
+92% Enhanced Defense
Fire Resist +10%
3% Mana stolen per hit
25% Better Chance of Getting Magic Items
20% Increased Attack Speed
+2 to Martial Art Skills (Assassin Only)

As good as those gloves are, for a fragile, fast attacking character, Drac's are almost a necessity. It fills the bulb very fast.

I hope this wasn't just rambling and that it was actualy helpful.

Check you Wildjinn's guide on kickers for more info. It is very complete and it is what my assy is based off of.

crg
 

lone_wolf

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helpful if i make a dtail assy ;)


im talking a dragon talon assy here but the info was intresting:)

dont know if this one will fare well yet.

as she just started hell will see if she can do what i want her to do.
 

wildjinn

Diabloii.Net Member
Another helm to think of is Andariel's Visage. It has the +2 skills, life steal, 20% IAS, and Str for more kick damage. You could socket with Ral to avoid the Fire res penalty. I mean, when you've got a negative modifier on an item to balance it, it's got to be pretty cool. :)

Defense: 310-387 (varies)(Base Defense: 101-154)
Required Level: 83
Required Strength: 102
Durability: 20
+100-150% Enhanced Defense (varies)
+2 To All Skills
20% Increased Attack Speed
8-10% Life Stolen Per Hit (varies)
+25-30 To Strength (varies)
+10% To Maximum Poison Resist
Fire Resist -30%
Poison Resist +70%
15% Chance To Cast Level 15 Poison Nova When Struck
Level 3 Venom (20 charges)

Other than that, as CRG says, Drac's Grasp would be expecially nice for a Dtaloner because you'd have a great ctc, similar to a zealot.

If you're a pure kicker, using a Crescent Moon weapon could be very, very sweet, but it might be better to stick with your claws. I haven't tried the Crescent Moon on a dtaloner, so that's pure theorycraft.

Maybe Atma's Scarab would be nice as an ammy? The 5% ctc Amp could come in very handy.

Lionheart is a great armor. That should definitely stay. :) Same with t-god's, ravenfrost, carrion wind, gore riders, and your claws.

So, yeah. There aren't many ways to up kick damage much in the build that you haven't already done. All that's left is boosting Str like crazy and making a DTailer next. ;)

@CRG: Thanks! I did a little dance around my room when I saw your note about my guide. Silly, but true. I'm glad you're finding it useful.

edit: what breakpoint are you at? just curious. if the next one is hittable with gear, it might be worthwhile.
 

Crazy Runner Guy

Diabloii.Net Member
wildjinn said:
@CRG: Thanks! I did a little dance around my room when I saw your note about my guide. Silly, but true. I'm glad you're finding it useful.

edit: what breakpoint are you at? just curious. if the next one is hittable with gear, it might be worthwhile.
According to the IAS tables in the Assy FAQ, i'm hitting 7 frame swing and 7 frame kick. So no faster. It's amazing how I can swing that fast with only 20% IAS on my gear and slvl 6 BoS! So i decided to go with an Eth in the claw since TS's AR is about 3.8k, which is too low.

crg
 

Shivan

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my dtalon sin once i get a stormlash will be

stormlash, enigma, andariels, stormshield, upgraded gores, atmas, raven, bk, can't remmeber the belt + gloves....

she would be using fade for the PDR bonus and resists and have enough IAS on gear to reach a 7/2/2/2/2 kick with dtalon
 

wildjinn

Diabloii.Net Member
heh. the breakpoint question was meant for lone_wolf as a possible way to get quicker damage...I need to place my edits better. :)

@CRG: Cool. Good call on the Eth. As a speed freak, I LOVE the MA 'sin...as if that wasn't obvious enough already. :) My next two projects are a Lightning Zealot and M'avina LF/Strafe Hybridzon, and I'm going to go for a 4-frame zeal and 2-frame strafe. We'll see how those go. :p

@ Shivan: that's a pretty ridiculous setup. :eek: With some +MA charms, she should get a 6th kick out of there, too. Please let us know how she fares in hell. :) Probably like a hot knife through butter...
 

Crazy Runner Guy

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wildjinn said:
@CRG: Cool. Good call on the Eth. As a speed freak, I LOVE the MA 'sin...as if that wasn't obvious enough already. :) My next two projects are a Lightning Zealot and M'avina LF/Strafe Hybridzon, and I'm going to go for a 4-frame zeal and 2-frame strafe. We'll see how those go. :p
I just turned into a speed freak myself. My current Strafezon uses a Goldstrike Arch upgraded to a Hydra bow. Socketed with a shael, LoH (20%IAS/KB gloves when I craft the damn things...), and armor/helm with IAS jewels she has a total of 120% IAS, which puts her at a 9/2 strafe speed. Its excellent. Go for it. Its not that hard to reach with the right bow. Then again, it helps to have 50% IAS inherent on the Goldstrike...

crg
 

Shivan

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i need my stormlash first ;)
which i wont' get a in a hurry
yeah i know bout the 6'th kick, but i'm not sure i'm going for it, probably won't have space, though i'll have lvl 24 dtalon for 5 kicks

i've already built a 'test' version of her and yeah she carves through things pretty fast
mainly meant for a countess runner
 

lone_wolf

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crap :mad: she couldnt handle crowds good enough for the thing i had planned.

grrr thats a few weeks wasted time when it comes to the char. (sc but i had set a goal for a crowd controll char not a ragdoll)

well atleast i learned something about playing 1.10 assys.

so now its time to try that dtail assy :bonk:

thanks to your input i have a quite clear picture of how to build that one.

and equipmet too.

just wonder if a dtail assy can kill single high hp monsters quick.

*goes of to make preporations for new assy*
 

Crazy Runner Guy

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lone_wolf said:
just wonder if a dtail assy can kill single high hp monsters quick.
Not especially. I have had small problems with high HP monsters (act bosses etc.), but here, since you are probably going to use your GF with the res all jewel and Gore riders, CB will boost your killing speed. I don't wear GF, and that's probably where my problems are coming in.

crg
 

lone_wolf

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Crazy Runner Guy said:
Not especially. I have had small problems with high HP monsters (act bosses etc.), but here, since you are probably going to use your GF with the res all jewel and Gore riders, CB will boost your killing speed. I don't wear GF, and that's probably where my problems are coming in.

crg
i dont know i might go for a equipmet selection like this

helm rockstopper
ammy highlords or maras
armour gloom (45% res all)
belt t-gods
weapon the best of my 3 tucs
shield pdiamond SS
boots upgraded gore raider
ring 1 raven
ring 2 mayby bk for +1 skills and life +life leech

then after that i see

her life might be a bit low so i might have to use a fair amount of vita sc
 

wildjinn

Diabloii.Net Member
lone_wolf said:
crap :mad: she couldnt handle crowds good enough for the thing i had planned.
grrr thats a few weeks wasted time when it comes to the char. (sc but i had set a goal for a crowd controll char not a ragdoll)
well atleast i learned something about playing 1.10 assys.
so now its time to try that dtail assy :bonk:
thanks to your input i have a quite clear picture of how to build that one.
and equipmet too.
just wonder if a dtail assy can kill single high hp monsters quick.
*goes of to make preporations for new assy*
Yes, the big damage will bring the pain. DTailers are more crowd control, though, as you have observed. The main problem arises with PI/FI's. However, that's not particularly likely (thank goodness). It also depends on what you want to do as a complimentary skill. If you go the trapper route, you can do good damage with that. If you go PS/CoT, you do crazy lightning damage. PS/BoI is pretty rockin', too, and might be among the best crowd control in the game. Dual Bartucs would be good for the PS builds.

The one cautionary thing is that an agressive melee Assassin definitely needs good use of CoS, SM, and MB. I was getting my *** handed to me to wear as a hat in hell until I started using those skills more. It then became pretty easy. Let us know how she goes!

Oh. and CRG's gear setup is very, very good. The only changes I'd make would be an Andy's Visage for the helm and possibly dual-claw action, especially since weapon block will block projectile elemental attacks. The PDR from stormshield would be better, though, if you're planning on building a higher-strength, lower-vit 'sin like I did. If you do that, a Vamp Gaze and Verdungo's would be hot with a T-god's available for WSK gloams.

Oh, and here's a good guide: http://forums.rpgforums.net/showthread.php?t=127410 :rolleyes:

edit: damn, i'm slow at writing posts. :p
 
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