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Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by llad12, Jun 1, 2007.

  1. Dondrei

    Dondrei Diabloii.Net Member

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    Everything has some potential for abuse. I raise a slippery slope argument against the slippery slope arguments.



     
  2. {KOW}Spazed

    {KOW}Spazed Banned

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    But not everything has the potential for abuse where someone ends up dead and the person who did it gets off scott free.



     
  3. SaroDarksbane

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    No. We determine legal competency for many things in our society, so I don't see why this would be any different.
    Correct. If you are unable to formally consent, you're out of luck, sadly.



     
  4. LunarSolaris

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    It still doesn't invalidate a slippery slope argument. The potential is still there.

    I'm not sure what point you're trying to make. I certainly hope you're not trying to compare assisted suicide to a bag boy/girl assisting in carrying groceries.



     
  5. SaroDarksbane

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    No, but that fact that there is no logical slippery slope connection between assisted suicide and involuntary homicide does.



     
  6. LunarSolaris

    LunarSolaris Diabloii.Net Member

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    Sure there is. What do you think euthenasia is? There is a pretty strong camp behind it. Euthenasia takes that extra step to what I consider assisted homicide. "Mercy" oriented or not.
     
  7. SaroDarksbane

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    Assisted Suicide is killing someone with their consent.
    Euthenasia is killing someone without their consent.

    Two Questions:

    1. The only difference between assisted suicide and euthenasia is the consent of the person involved. How is euthenasia logically further down the slippery slope from assisted suicide?

    2. The only difference between sex and rape is the consent of the person involved. Does legalizing sex put us on the slippery slope to legalizing rape?

    (In case you haven't figured it out yet, what you're talking about is not a slippery slope. It's as if you said, "It should be illegal to drink soda and drive, because that's on a slippery slope to letting people drink beer and drive." The two aren't related.)



     
  8. TakeMyCrabs

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    Euthanasia defined as mercy killing is homicide unless there is consent.

    Either there is consent or there isn't.

    A better (but still really weak) argument for you would be "forced" consent...


     
  9. zodiac66

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    I believe everyone has the right to die when they want to. Government and law enforcement should not even enter into the equation.
     
  10. WildBerry

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    Please check your spelling.



     
  11. Johnny

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    Well when someone indeed has died you cant just instantly write it off as suicide. You need to investigate the event.


    However throwing people in jail for attempted suicide. Thats just wrong.



     
  12. SaroDarksbane

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    I'll clean up my act when Lunar cleans up his. :grin:
    True, but I don't really see this as a problem. They'll look into it and find a form signed by the deceased, witnessed by an authorized person, and notarized by an official stating that he is sound in mind (and not necessarily body, for obvious reasons) and that it was his will that he should die in this specified manner, at this time, and it will have a death certificate attached to it signed to that effect by the doctor/authorized person performing the procedure.

    Procedure followed. Case closed.



     
  13. LunarSolaris

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    Assisted suicide is a platform. It's an ideology... one in which euthanasia can easily piggy-back onto.

    My main argument against assisted suicide isn't centered on a slippery slope as it is. Rather, it's against the idea of another person assisting in another person ending their own life. It's contrary to what the medical profession is about and I believe that its unnecessary in 99.99% of cases... and I believe that "pain and suffering" can be managed through other means.

    For those of you that think that the only way to manage pain is to turn someone into a vegetable, then perhaps you need to go educate yourself on hospice services.
     
  14. LunarSolaris

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    Nit-pick spelling all you guys wish. I don't consider my positings on this forum as a thesis project and I don't spell-check here - I don't feel it's warranted. As a general rule my grammar and spelling are above average.
     
  15. WildBerry

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    Lunar has a point there. Hippocratean oath and all that.

    Lunar, I assume Saro meant his error lies in typing whilst yours lies in misconceptions.
     
  16. SaroDarksbane

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    Hmm, so the "We should let people kill other people against their will." platform can piggy-back on top the "People should be able to choose what happens to their own body without other people choosing for them." platform?

    Those seem like two completely opposite ideas to me.
    For the third time, who says it has to be a doctor?
    And you think . . . what? That someone would rather die than take Tylenol? Who are you to tell people whether or not their pain is manageable? Don't you think they might have slightly more experience with what their current pain level is than you? Don't you think they've probably tried such things already?

    Damn, I knew you were arrogant, but that takes the cake.



     
  17. Star Dust

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    That's exactly what I'm requesting a reason for. WHY DON'T YOU BELIEVE THAT?

    Jeebus.

    Good, then you can drop it, because we're not talking about euthanasia.

    Who said a medical professional has to do it? Who said it has to be necessary? What if a person doesn't want "managed pain and suffering" and merely wants to die?

    Don't you believe you should have control over your life?



     
  18. Star Dust

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    I have no idea what you're talking about.

    Frankly, understanding your posts is a chore for me.



     
  19. WildBerry

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    The chemicalia associated probably need doctor's orders to be applicable at least. It's not like we're talking about taking the people behind the shack.



     
  20. SaroDarksbane

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    What about people who are executed by lethal injection?

    If the law requires a doctor to perform the procedure, then injecting someone with their consent is hardly a worse blow to their oath then injecting someone against their consent.

    If the law allows a non-doctor to perform the task, then we've established that lethal chemicals can be administered legally outside of the medical profession.

    Either way, my case is made.



     

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