Kbob's View: The Problem, The Solution

[memememe173]

krunch, I was ready to make an angry reply, but instead I took a breath, and re-read what you said, this time remembering the "you" doesn't mean every person that posted in the thread...

you are dead on...I don't agree with duping in any way, nor do I think that high end gear is required for success...

The worst part of duping is that if doing public trades (or even trades from here) it is quite easy to get 1 [high] rune that legit, and then the next one is duped...

If Blizzad is going to authorize a trading system, then they should make sure that innocents won't get hurt inadvertantly by using it (yes I realize talk is cheap) because some people can afford the price of a legit high rune or two, but can't find that specific rune...they should not have to worry that a program from Blizz can eat all their hard works (months/years possibly) in 5 seconds

Sometimes it takes a rant to pull heads out of asses...gj to krunch :clap:


EDIT:

Your rant is a little late. But good you seconded my opinions.

:lol: we don't have to worry 'bout you...it appears your head is too big to fit up your ***

 

[Sigus]

And growing bigger with every second :lol:

Although, still there wasnt anything new there.

 

[krunch]

Heh, sorry I was so late, but sometimes you gotta let the pukes put their foot in their mouth before you shove it up their a$$. Hopefully they took off their feetee pajamas beforehand.

 

[TheKbob]

What a joke. What makes you think that you are entitled to everything you want? You sound like a bunch of spoiled little brats.

Hey, here's something that you might not be aware of, no one promised you that you would get everything you wanted-except maybe your mom-and she's lying anyway. Grow up!

And I love how none of this is your fault. The botters, the ebayers, the dupers...you made them what they are. Without you they're just a minor nuisance, cracking code and getting their jollies. But you poor unfortunate souls, that just have to have everything, represent a lucrative market for them and actually encourage them.

Look, the fact of the matter is the high end runes are extremely rare and, in general, YOU ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO HAVE THEM. Hell, I've been playing for four years and have never seen a rune above ist. Does this bother me? Sure does, but so does working for a living and not getting a crack at Marissa Miller before I die. Do you get the point?

And don't give me the crap about it being only a game. Games have rules. You don't like them? Don't play. In Little League you probably wanted six strikes because you deserved to hit the ball. While golfing, you probably hit from the ladies tees. Hell, you guys probably cheat even when you're just playing with yourselves. How sad.

Jeez, if you need the runes that bad you suck anyway.

Mememe might have held back, but I'm not in the best of moods.

Spoiled brats eh? Working hours//weeks for one runeword. Oh so spoiled. I have only had one rune ever handed to me by a wealthy friend.

I was NEVER promised anything. I had to work for it. When I was 13~14 I saved over a year on a paper route to the grand sum of about $1200 just to be a foreign exchange student. Now, I have worked my *** off in high school and I am now going to a very outstanding college where they are paying over half my way there, and I have to WORK for the other half.

Did I bot,... no. Did I dupe,... no. Those aren't my fault. Wanting an item is in game, guilty as charged. I'm sure there has been an item(s) you have wanted as well, so don't pull that line. And to MAKING them do it. I didn't hold them at gun point, did anyone else? :scratch: Besides that, there are people out there that find pleasure in wreaking havoc. There are Hackers, scammers, people who create Virus/Worms and such all the time who get a sadistic pleasure. Also, there are people who have such and addiction for the game that they would PAY MONEY (Close the stores!!!!). That is what drove them to do more. I would never give a cent of my own money for a few scraps of Kb on a server that wasn't mine. My friend did something funny, though. Took all his stuff, Ebayed it, and bought new better stuff and had profit. Isn't b.net capatilism at its finest?


Play the game more, I have found 2 Guls, a few ists, Cham, Ohm, Ums, Mals. Yes, we may not all have BotD, but it's not impossible.

You sound like you had an angry childhood. I sucked at basketball, but my team was undefeated and #1 in the league. I couldn't score to save my ***, but when I did, that was the best feeling EVER. Same with getting that next runeword, though I don't suck with out it, finally achieving it is like a little "Yeah! WOOT!" in my head.

I don't need them, no. 4 of my chars have uber godly Runewords and 4 don't. Both sets can do Hell and they are all fun. What's wrong with after playing 4 years of seeing hacked, duped, godly legit, and all sorts of other crap and not finally earning your own slice?

"But you're not supposed to have them1!111!!!11one"

B.S. if we weren't supposed to have them, then they wouldn't have been implemented. Yes, there are more than there should be, but who cares. I don't. The only thing I care about seeing gone is Bugged. How long did it take to get rid of Iths? Oh... all of 1.09 almost. And they simply nuked them all with 1.10. BAH!

Btw, who is Marisa Miller, cause I don't get the point.

Oh and my Father told me some wise advice, here listen:

Find a job you enjoy doing, and you will never work a day in your life

:thumbsup:

Work.. nah!

~Kbob

Oh and that last comment just above this post, yes that mature statement really supports your view point. Discredits the writer... hmmm :spy:

 

[krunch]

Lmao. Your father told you that, did he? Well he probably also told you that runes don’t grow on trees and many other “facts of life†that you conveniently overlook. Your simplistic view that your wants, as in wanting to own something just because it exists, supercede everything else would be laughable if it wasn’t quite so pathetic. Wake up. Do you really believe that all your wishes will become true just because you work hard? Omg, why go to college? I’m sure you’ve worked hard enough already to deserve a diploma. If you haven’t, it’s not your fault anyway, right? Lots of people have them, don’t they? Hell, why stop there, maybe you deserve a Noble Prize for all your hard work.

Sorry to disappoint you, but participation awards in general are nothing to brag about, and that's about what you seem to deserve.

Btw, I never said that you shouldn’t want them-I said your wants are not a justification for obtaining them at any cost.

And, if you don’t know who Marissa Miller is, go ask your daddy.

 

[Wolv]

Very good points KBob - goes right along w/ my sentiments. For some reason working yer a$$ off to obtain runewords is totally overlooked. Instead, we are STEREOTYPED. Bah to that.....

And I love how none of this is your fault. The botters, the ebayers, the dupers...you made them what they are. Without you they're just a minor nuisance, cracking code and getting their jollies. But you poor unfortunate souls, that just have to have everything, represent a lucrative market for them and actually encourage them.

and this bothers me too.

Oh I see. Its OUR fault. We created the botters, ebayers, and dupers? And I suppose we all created counterfeiters too, because face it, we can't live w/o $$. Yer argument is baseless. Its an individuals CHOICE. Dupers crack codes because they enjoy the challenge. Botters bot because they are lazy and the game is not fun for them. These individuals will ALWAYS exist.

This is a game of SUPPLY AND DEMAND. Its too easy to blame those of us who demand the good items cuz we can afford it. Runewords or not, there will ALWAYS be items more sought after than others. What do U propose? Eliminating all the good items so there is nothing dupe-worthy????? Ludicrous. Few would play the game then. Period. Dot dot dot.

Don't flame us because 1. you don't play the game enuff to afford runewords or 2. lack the ability/foresight to profit from the economy. U already ASSUME Marissa Miller is out of yer league, so U assume runewords are too.

 

[memememe173]

Lmao. Your father told you that, did he? Well he probably also told you that runes don’t grow on trees and many other “facts of life†that you conveniently overlook. Your simplistic view that your wants, as in wanting to own something just because it exists, supercede everything else would be laughable if it wasn’t quite so pathetic. Wake up. Do you really believe that all your wishes will become true just because you work hard? Omg, why go to college? I’m sure you’ve worked hard enough already to deserve a diploma. If you haven’t, it’s not your fault anyway, right? Lots of people have them, don’t they? Hell, why stop there, maybe you deserve a Noble Prize for all your hard work.

Sorry to disappoint you, but participation awards in general are nothing to brag about, and that's about what you seem to deserve.

Btw, I never said that you shouldn’t want them-I said your wants are not a justification for obtaining them at any cost.

And, if you don’t know who Marissa Miller is, go ask your daddy.

Krunch: stop being "super realist man" I doubt kbob thinks that, but that's no reason not to work hard and hope it happens

Wolv + kbob: when some one says "you" in a post chances are YOU aren't who he's reffering to, especially when you argue agaisnt him in the fashion you are

 

[krunch]

Working hard entitles you to nothing. Period.

I didn’t say you created them. I said you encouraged them. Do you really think they’d still be selling **** if you whiners weren’t still buying? As you said, it’s supply and demand. They continue to exist because they fill a demand. If you don’t understand the concept, just try to find someone making a living in the once lucrative pet rock business these days.

LOL. Just because you can afford something means you’re entitled to it? That’s good, real good. Perhaps I can get Marissa to agree? Did you and KBob graduate from the same school? Did you ride the short bus together?

Are you so naïve as to believe that I, or anyone else for that matter, couldn’t acquire any item in the game five minutes after creating my first character as things currently exist? My time playing and my ability/foresight have nothing to do with my point. And I don’t assume anything is out of my league. On the other hand, I don’t assume that I’m entitled to something, simply because I want it, whether I worked hard for it or not, either.

Omg, my heart is breaking, it’s just not fair. Poor pathetic little boys don’t want to play without the “good itemsâ€.

 

[krunch]

Sorry again, me (or should I say, "Me, sorry again"?).

Maybe too much coffee this morning and not enough work to do.

 

[uncleanspirit]

Equating this to real life:

Your looking to buy a piece of jewlelry to your girlfriend. You go to your local jewelry store and see a nice ring (IST rune) on display. You ask about the price and find it costs $5000( Tal's ammy + armor). Thats too much im not going to pay it and leave the store angry because you cant afford the price. As your leaving someon on the street pulls you aside and offers you a bigger ring and it looks even more beautiful (Ber Rune). Wow thats nice you think. How much you ask? $2500 he responds (Tals ammy). Ill take it you say not hesistating.

You take the ring home your girlfriend loves it. She asks where you bought and you tell her not to worry about it just wear it. She does and all of her friends say how nice it looks. You decide that you want the ring isured so you take it to an appraiser. he says the rings worthless. Turns out the ring is made of plated metal and the stone is cubic zurconium.

Now your mad and go back to were the guy was and hes not there. You go to the police take the ring as evidence and try to find the guy but they tell you chances are slim they'll be able to find him. Even if they do he probably already spent all your money and has nothing of value.

Lesson 1: Dont buy expensive things from people you dont trust

Lesson 2: People get ripped off and lose things all the time. Life isn't fair and "innocent" people get hurt.

Lesson 3: The person in our above story worked hard but not hard enough to afford what he really wanted so he took an easy way out and got burned.

 

[memememe173]

Working hard entitles you to nothing. Period.

I didn’t say you created them. I said you encouraged them. Do you really think they’d still be selling **** if you whiners weren’t still buying? As you said, it’s supply and demand. They continue to exist because they fill a demand. If you don’t understand the concept, just try to find someone making a living in the once lucrative pet rock business these days.

LOL. Just because you can afford something means you’re entitled to it? That’s good, real good. Perhaps I can get Marissa to agree? Did you and KBob graduate from the same school? Did you ride the short bus together?

Are you so naïve as to believe that I, or anyone else for that matter, couldn’t acquire any item in the game five minutes after creating my first character as things currently exist? My time playing and my ability/foresight have nothing to do with my point. And I don’t assume anything is out of my league. On the other hand, I don’t assume that I’m entitled to something, simply because I want it, whether I worked hard for it or not, either.

Omg, my heart is breaking, it’s just not fair. Poor pathetic little boys don’t want to play without the “good itemsâ€.

up till now, I've been neutral, but this is wrong. Working hard entitles you to nothing, but it's a much surer way to get something.

If you can afford something I see no reason not to have it, that confuses me...

You're not entitled to it because you want it, but the best way to get it IS to work hard for it...if you argue this then...

 

[Fearox]

Equating this to real life:

Your looking to buy a piece of jewlelry to your girlfriend. You go to your local jewelry store and see a nice ring (IST rune) on display. You ask about the price and find it costs $5000( Tal's ammy + armor). Thats too much im not going to pay it and leave the store angry because you cant afford the price. As your leaving someon on the street pulls you aside and offers you a bigger ring and it looks even more beautiful (Ber Rune). Wow thats nice you think. How much you ask? $2500 he responds (Tals ammy). Ill take it you say not hesistating.

You take the ring home your girlfriend loves it. She asks where you bought and you tell her not to worry about it just wear it. She does and all of her friends say how nice it looks. You decide that you want the ring isured so you take it to an appraiser. he says the rings worthless. Turns out the ring is made of plated metal and the stone is cubic zurconium.

Now your mad and go back to were the guy was and hes not there. You go to the police take the ring as evidence and try to find the guy but they tell you chances are slim they'll be able to find him. Even if they do he probably already spent all your money and has nothing of value.

Lesson 1: Dont buy expensive things from people you dont trust

Lesson 2: People get ripped off and lose things all the time. Life isn't fair and "innocent" people get hurt.

Lesson 3: The person in our above story worked hard but not hard enough to afford what he really wanted so he took an easy way out and got burned.

Well said. It may be hard work to collect stuff and sell them for runes, but not as hard work as it is to find the runes by yourself.

 

[TheKbob]

Krunch ...

You are wrong, Working hard is about getting a GOAL. Goals and dreams is what life is made up of. You set them up and knock em down. Some don't come, and some are harder than others, but working hard to reach them also is a gain as well.

Working hard gets to experience makes you a stronger individual. School comes easier to me, I am naturally talented in sciences and math. Another person may not be and to get the grades I do, they would have to study alot more. Who gets more out of the schooling? Probably the one who studied and WORKED HARDER because they get experience out of it.

What my father said is true, find something you enjoy and do it. You like Video Games, become a designer/programmer, tester, or reviewer. Like cooking? Become a chef, Enjoy sitting and watching TV? ... that's a bit harder... I dunno, become a diet guru with your new sit on your *** and drink beer diet. :buddies: :cheesy:

It sounds like to me you worked hard for something at somepoint only to get rejected or to never reach that goal and instead of getting back at it, just gave up and now yells at others to stifle theirs.

or you're ignorant,

Either way, your comments become ruder and ruder, I ask you now nicely to please refrain. Thank you.

Unclean, yes good point, though on D2 we cannot tell fake from real or a good seller from bad. Also, she better lub me lots / be the one/ and having my kid for a $5000 ring :lol:

Learn to discuss things a bit more civil like Fearox, Sigus, and Unclean...not just rant, yell, call people whiny and such.

~Kbob

I just read his post above Wolves and well, my god man:

Lmao. Your father told you that, did he? Well he probably also told you that runes don’t grow on trees and many other “facts of life†that you conveniently overlook. Your simplistic view that your wants, as in wanting to own something just because it exists, supercede everything else would be laughable if it wasn’t quite so pathetic. Wake up. Do you really believe that all your wishes will become true just because you work hard? Omg, why go to college? I’m sure you’ve worked hard enough already to deserve a diploma. If you haven’t, it’s not your fault anyway, right? Lots of people have them, don’t they? Hell, why stop there, maybe you deserve a Noble Prize for all your hard work.

Sorry to disappoint you, but participation awards in general are nothing to brag about, and that's about what you seem to deserve.

Btw, I never said that you shouldn’t want them-I said your wants are not a justification for obtaining them at any cost.

And, if you don’t know who Marissa Miller is, go ask your daddy.

Uh I never said I wanted it just because it existed. I want a college education to better myself and obtain a career that I would enjoy and provide for future things like a house, a car, a family, other GOALS.

Since when is College a participation award. Getting a 3.8 in High School isn't a participation award. Neither is the Honors Diploma I will recieve for it. Also, I am still in high school and going to college FOR FREE because of my hard work and I have a 3.5 GPA there as well.

And when did I say I wanted to get a runeword at any cost...

You make less and less sense.

 

[krunch]

I should clear that up...

Working hard entitles you to the rewards that you were promised. In this particular environment, I believe the rewards are the ability to "level up" your character and the "chance" to find things and/or trade for things. No one ever said you wouldn't die (ouch), and no one ever said you'd find or be able to trade for every item in the game. I didn't mean to say that you weren't entitled to something because you want it-I meant that you weren't entitled to it SOLELY because you wanted it.

I am not advocating that you shouldn’t work hard at something-in fact; I applaud anyone that obtained a legit item in a legit method. I’m just attempting to make it clear that effort alone does not equate to any guarantee, and that there is no basis for any such argument.

I understand that there are unscrupulous individuals out there that will attempt to profit in this environment, as they will given any such opportunity, but the jewelry example presented by Spirit :thumbsup: is pretty close to the mark. The only part he omitted was the part where the police confiscate your “fake†because of a copyright infringement and you argue that you’re entitled to keep it because 1) everyone has one, 2) you really, really wanted it, and 3) you worked hard to get it. Tell it to the judge.

 

[TheKbob]

I should clear that up...

Working hard entitles you to the rewards that you were promised. In this particular environment, I believe the rewards are the ability to "level up" your character and the "chance" to find things and/or trade for things. No one ever said you wouldn't die (ouch), and no one ever said you'd find or be able to trade for every item in the game. I didn't mean to say that you weren't entitled to something because you want it-I meant that you weren't entitled to it SOLELY because you wanted it.

I am not advocating that you shouldn’t work hard at something-in fact; I applaud anyone that obtained a legit item in a legit method. I’m just attempting to make it clear that effort alone does not equate to any guarantee, and that there is no basis for any such argument.

I understand that there are unscrupulous individuals out there that will attempt to profit in this environment, as they will given any such opportunity, but the jewelry example presented by Spirit :thumbsup: is pretty close to the mark. The only part he omitted was the part where the police confiscate your “fake†because of a copyright infringement and you argue that you’re entitled to keep it because 1) everyone has one, 2) you really, really wanted it, and 3) you worked hard to get it. Tell it to the judge.

1st Paragraph:

So basically you are saying Greed is bad, but having a goal isn't. True

2nd Paragraph:

Legit method = trading, we can't tell if its duped, but yes the out come isn't always what you want.

3rd Paragraph:

Police wouldn't take a fake ring, they could care less. There would be no copyright infringement on a ring, nor would you get into a court situation for buying such ring. Possibly if the ring was a stolen item, maybe, but only then. You are trying to compare to dying runewords, and it almost makes a good point, but we as players on D2 have no way of telling what is real and what isn't. In real life, we can get a ring appraised before purchasing it to determine its make, origin, and worth. No such thing on D2. That is a big difference.

~Kbob