Karl Rove a national traitor

Karl Rove a national traitor

Reporters expose Karl Rove as the source of the leak outing Valerie Plume as a CIA operative.

50-1 he'll never see a trial.

http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1000972841

MSNBC Analyst Says 2nd Source Confirms Karl Rove as Plame Leaker

By Greg Mitchell

Published: July 02, 2005 1:00 PM ET
NEW YORK Now that Time Inc. has turned over documents to federal court, revealing who its reporter, Matt Cooper, identified as his source in the Valerie Plame/CIA case, speculation runs rampant on the name of that source. Lawrence O'Donnell, senior MSNBC political analyst, now claims that at least two sources have confirmed that the name is--top White House mastermind Karl Rove.

O'Donnell first offered this report Friday night on the syndicated McLaughlin Group political talk show. Today, he went beyond that, writing a brief entry at the Huffington Post blog:

"I revealed in yesterday's taping of the McLaughlin Group that Time magazine's e-mails will reveal that Karl Rove was Matt Cooper's source. I have known this for months but didn't want to say it at a time that would risk me getting dragged into the grand jury.

"McLaughlin is seen in some markets on Friday night, so some websites have picked it up, including Drudge, but I don't expect it to have much impact because McLaughlin is not considered a news show and it will be pre-empted in the big markets on Sunday because of tennis.

"Since I revealed the big scoop, I have had it reconfirmed by yet another highly authoritative source. Too many people know this. It should break wide open this week. I know Newsweek is working on an 'It's Rove!' story and will probably break it tomorrow."

Here is the text of what O'Donnell said on Friday:

"What we're going to go to now in the next stage, when Matt Cooper's e-mails, within Time Magazine, are handed over to the grand jury--the ultimate revelation, probably within the week of who his source is.

"I know I'm going to get pulled into the grand jury for saying this but the source of...for Matt Cooper was Karl Rove, and that will be revealed in this document dump that Time magazine's going to do with the grand jury."

Other McLaughlin Group panelists then joined in discussing whether, if true, this would suggest a perjury rap for Rove, if he told the grand jury he did not leak to Cooper.

Besides his career at a TV journalist, O'Donnell has served as a producer and writer for the series "The West Wing."

According to published reports, Patrick Fitzgerald, the special prosecutor in the case, has interviewed President Bush and Vice President Cheney and called Karl Rove, among others, to testify before the grand jury.

"The breadth of Fitzgerald's inquiry has led to speculation that it has evolved into an investigation of a conspiracy to leak Plame's identity," the Chicago Tribune observed on Friday, "or of an attempt to cover up White House involvement in the leak."
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Analyst: Cooper Documents Reveal Karl Rove As Source

Time disclosure puts ‘turd blossom’ in the frame

by OfficialWire NewsDesk

WASHINGTON, D.C. -- (OfficialWire) -- 07/02/05 --

According to an article published Friday by Editor & Publisher, Assistant to the President, Deputy Chief of Staff and Senior Advisor Karl Rove (shown here) is the confidential source who outed Valerie Plame to reporters as a CIA operative.

E&P reported that during a syndicated McLaughlin Group political talk show, senior MSNBC political analyst Lawrence O'Donnell said: "What we're going to go to now in the next stage, when Matt Cooper's e-mails, within Time Magazine, are handed over to the grand jury, the ultimate revelation, probably within the week of who his source is.

"And I know I'm going to get pulled into the grand jury for saying this but the source of...for Matt Cooper was Karl Rove, and that will be revealed in this document dump that Time magazine's going to do with the grand jury."

Retired ambassador Joseph C. Wilson already named Rove, back in August 2003, as the White House insider who leaked his wife's identity to the press.

Given Rove's track record for dirty-tricks and questionable ethics, few will be surprised.

In February 2005, Bush said: "Karl Rove is a long-time advisor and trusted member of my team. His hard work and dedication have been invaluable. I appreciate Karl's willingness to continue to serve my Administration in this new position."

While we wait for confirmation by the grand jury following Time magazine's decision to hand over subpoenaed records, it will be interesting to see how George W. Bush responds to the likelihood that his turd blossom may be headed to a federal prison.
 

Necrolestes

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Diabolical

50-1? I'd say that's being optimistic. Karl Rove, that paragon of perfidy, can always justify his actions saying that the revealing of her identity was to expose liberals in the government who weren't willing to work for freedom. A more likely defense, though, would be to blame the liberal media who is just slandering an innocent who dares to stand up to them.

My next door neighbor was right: Rove is teh devil!
 

maccool

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Rove resigns, and is granted presidential pardon, returns as 'private consultant' or ghost advisor.

Business as usual. At least he only compromised national security during wartime by leaking the name of an operative to the press. It could have been much worse; he could have gotten a blowjob and then lied about it.
 

llad12

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So, Karl Rove might get his just reward for an alleged traitorous act.

I must say: If it happens, then it couldn't happen to a nicer guy. :rolleyes:

But don't worry Dubya, Karl's place in history will now be assured.
 

Steel_Avatar

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maccool said:
Rove resigns, and is granted presidential pardon, returns as 'private consultant' or ghost advisor.

Business as usual. At least he only compromised national security during wartime by leaking the name of an operative to the press. It could have been much worse; he could have gotten a blowjob and then lied about it.
Or forgotten . . . no I can't :p
 
Kinda shocking, eh? Or perhaps not so much at all. This all coming from the man who denounces Democrats as traitors. Irony much?
 

DOC

Off Topic Moderator
Personally I am just waiting for a strong 3rd party to rise again, like the progressives back under Teddy Roosevelt. It will happen, Ill make it happen. All the Demo-Repub bickering needs a nice trout and a blanky slap.
 

jmervyn

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llad12 said:
So, Karl Rove might get his just reward for an alleged traitorous act.

I must say: If it happens, then it couldn't happen to a nicer guy. :rolleyes:

But don't worry Dubya, Karl's place in history will now be assured.
Happy 4th of July, all...

If Rove is, in fact, the individual responsible, then he should fry (figuratively). It doesn't matter that Plame's ID was an open secret.

Myself, I'll wait to hear it verified by legal channels... this could be smokescreen tactics, or not. Rove certainly isn't above acting <above> decency (and perchance law), but he's got vast company.
 

llad12

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jmervyn said:
Happy 4th of July, all...

If Rove is, in fact, the individual responsible, then he should fry (figuratively). It doesn't matter that Plame's ID was an open secret.

Myself, I'll wait to hear it verified by legal channels... this could be smokescreen tactics, or not. Rove certainly isn't above acting <above> decency (and perchance law), but he's got vast company.
So, if Rove is guilty, should we Democrats then offer him "therapy and understanding"?

:teeth:
 

Amra

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jmervyn said:
Happy 4th of July, all...

If Rove is, in fact, the individual responsible, then he should fry (figuratively). It doesn't matter that Plame's ID was an open secret.

Myself, I'll wait to hear it verified by legal channels... this could be smokescreen tactics, or not. Rove certainly isn't above acting <above> decency (and perchance law), but he's got vast company.
Exactly. I am going to wait and see how this plays out.
 

krzyhobo

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llad12 said:
So, if Rove is guilty, should we Democrats then offer him "therapy and understanding"?

:teeth:
A tad off-topic but noteworthy: the funniest part of the statement your referencing is the lack of knowledge it exhibits on Rove's part. Am I the only one that seems to remember that all but one Congressional Democrat (204 out of 205) voted to authorize the use of force against the attackers?

I truly believe that Rove has driven politics backwards. He's arrogant, loudmouthed, and gives even the Bush's administration a bad reputation. He encourages bipartisanship, he's a hypocrite (didn't he endorse Howard Dean?), and apparently he committed treason - or maybe that should be combined with the hypocrisy comment.

Independent of his politics, he has apparently commited treason and should face life in prison.
 

jmervyn

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llad12 said:
So, if Rove is guilty, should we Democrats then offer him "therapy and understanding"?

:teeth:
That's quite kind of you to offer - but failing to exercise justice isn't necessarily the mark of a Christian (that would be mercy).

And just to clarify, 'fry' was a poor word choice. I'm not interested in Karl ribs or Rove chops, or even seeing his butt on a grill, but that little piggie has supped quite frequently at the public trough already. Do you like the hawg analogies?

Rove is completely capable of forced retirement at this point. IF he's guilty, he should be sentenced & imprisoned - the sentence is apparently 10 years max. I note that the treasonous labels are being freely applied by the same group that refuse to apply them to actual traitors like John Kerry or Jane Fonda :uhhuh:

EDIT - a comment & a couple of linkies:
I knew at least one CIA operative who was even 'more covert' than Plame, yet was recognized by many as being an Agency worker - the information about her identity being an open secret seems pretty reasonable. The fact that Novak chose to ignore the CIA request to keep it quiet is somewhat pertinent, if trying to make the case that the CIA willingly outed its own agent in a quest for vengeance.

The mandatory Wiki entry
This one pretty much guns down the thread's premise, if true...
He noted that Rove had testified before the grand jury "two or three times" and signed a waiver authorizing reporters to testify about their conversations with him.
And the "Treason" banner is probably garbage, though the act is certainly criminal as detailed below -
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A2305-2005Jan11
http://www.yuricareport.com/Impeachment/DeanOnWilsonLeakWorseThanNixon.html
 

Ranger14

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DOC said:
Personally I am just waiting for a strong 3rd party to rise again, like the progressives back under Teddy Roosevelt. It will happen, Ill make it happen. All the Demo-Repub bickering needs a nice trout and a blanky slap.
Look out....Jessie Ventura for President in 2008!! That's exactly how he became Minnesota's governor. In the debates the two parties would bicker and avoid the questions and Jessie would answer the questions directly and make them look like idiots. :D
 

axeil

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Jane Fonda definately came close but I fail to see how anyone can still almost a year after the election still be calling Kerry a traitor.

If Rove is guilty I still don't think that it's treason...but I certainly wouldn't call him a bastion of American virtue and justice (not that I would have before this but you get the point).
 

DOC

Off Topic Moderator
Ranger14 said:
Look out....Jessie Ventura for President in 2008!! That's exactly how he became Minnesota's governor. In the debates the two parties would bicker and avoid the questions and Jessie would answer the questions directly and make them look like idiots. :D
And that is what I like. What is different and still effective. The truth without alot of big words and fluff is always the best, Don't treat us like we are idiots.
 

Dacar92

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Do we know that the reporter is telling the truth? Or is it a way to try to hang Rove?
 

Freemason

Banned
If he is proven to be the one that did out her then he should go to Ft. Leavenworth. Thing is that this is highly suspect. As Durf said it, 3, 2, 1... After Dan Blather pulling stuff out his arse and trying to pass it off as news and Newsweek doing the same thing, anything like this against a Republican is going to be suspect. Now if this can be confirmed by the usual journalistic standard of three independant sources, then he needs to burn for it.

That said, LIKE HELL IT'LL HAPPEN. Not until Dick Durbin is burned should anything happen to Rove. Absolutely nothing should happen to anybody on the right until the same can be said and done to the leftists. Screw us, no, screw you.
 

Croup

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Freemason said:
That said, LIKE HELL IT'LL HAPPEN. Not until Dick Durbin is burned should anything happen to Rove. Absolutely nothing should happen to anybody on the right until the same can be said and done to the leftists. Screw us, no, screw you.
Are you kidding? Durbin made a horrible speech with references to Nazis and Soviet gulags. At best it was poor word choice on his part, at worst he was comparing a select few American soldiers to torturers.

Rove outed the identity of a CIA agent for purely political purposes. I can understand people being pretty burned at Durbin, but can you seriously call for his head over rhetoric before you admit that Rove did worse. That's pretty low.
 
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