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Jewels mods and lvls

Discussion in 'Theorycrafting and Statistics' started by TheODB, Apr 10, 2005.

  1. TheODB

    TheODB IncGamers Member

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    Jewels mods and lvls

    Im basing this off: http://www.battle.net/diablo2exp/items/jewels.shtml
    So rare jewels can have up to 1-3 prefix/1-3 suffix limited at 4 total? And the lvl req is .75 of the highest fix lvl (always rounded down)? So I could spawn a rare jewel thats 20%ed 19max @ lvl 9? (Carbuncle Rusty Jewel of Ire Wrath) This seems wrong to me, but where has my mistake been made?
     
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    krischan Europe Trade Moderator

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    Ire and Wrath exclude each other, but a rare L9 carbuncle, rusty, tin jewel of wrath should be possible. A perfect one would have +14 max/20%ed/40ar. Even if you are so lucky and get exactly these affixes (about 1 in 25,000 rare jewels have them if dropped by a monster with exactly the right mlvl, else the chance is even less), the chance for it being perfect would be 1 in 5*10*20*4 = 1 in 4000. So 1 in 10,000,000 rare jewels would be like that and when assuming that the chance for a monster to drop a rare jewel is 1 in 1,000 (very optimistic), the total chance is 1 in 10,000,000,000. Good luck.
     
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    Ire and Wrath exclude each other, but a rare L9 carbuncle, rusty, tin jewel of wrath should be possible. A perfect one would have +14 max/20%ed/40ar. Even if you are so lucky and get exactly these affixes (about 1 in 20,000 (*) rare jewels have them if dropped by a monster with exactly the right mlvl, else the chance is even less), the chance for it being perfect would be 1 in 5*10*20*4 = 1 in 4000. So 1 in 8,000,000 rare jewels would be like that and when assuming that the chance for a monster to drop a rare jewel is 1 in 1,250 (very optimistic), the total chance is 1 in 10,000,000,000. Good luck.

    (*) I counted all <=L12 prefixes (15) and suffixes (7) and assumed that all prefixes and suffixes have the same probabilities, respectively. I'm not sure if stat's correct. In that case the chance for getting a particular set of them is 15*14*13*7=19,110.
     
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    so if youre rich enough (rather lucky enough), you can have a lvl 9 asn claw that does 22-85 with 135 ar
    and i guess i assumed right about the rounding down?
     
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    The Affixcalc makes the calculations for affix spawn problabilites a bit easier as affixes don't have the same chance to spawn.
     
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    I already tried there, but I got a "server too busy" error :rolleyes:
     
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    kris, there is also the combinatorial aspect. You could get a carb/rust/tin J of wrath or instead a carb/tin/rust or a tin/carb/rust etc. 6 combinations, so your odds are 6-fold better than you list.

    affixcalc is back up for me, those particular affixes are among the more common, so in fact it is (4/54) * (4/50) * (4/46) * (4/31) * 6 which is pretty close to 1/2500.
    There are actually 9 suffixes under alvl 13 (which you need for Rusty).

    We are however not taking into account the chance of getting 4 mods on a rare jewel, and then getting a 3-1 split. I'm not sure if this is ilvl dependent at all. But it would be at most 50% (can you get rare jewels with only 1 or 2 affixes?) for the # of affixes and then 33% for a 3-1 split. Which I guess neatly cancels out the x6 I added earlier :)
     
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    As you can see from my double post, I probably was a little absent-minded :)

    Regarding rare jewels with 2 affixes: I can't remember that I ever found one, but it might be as with my latest statement about the nonexistence of cracked phase blades some days ago. Since then I found 3 of them :lol:
     
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    Rares have a minimum of 2 affixes no matter what, right? At least I have a "Grim Eye" jewel which just say "Adds 5-8 damage" at clvl req 8. ATMA reads "+5 to minimum damage" and "+8 to maximum damage". Perhaps there are 2 "min dmg" affixes??
     
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    The highest +dmg mods on jewels usable at clvl 8 are Scarlet (+1-4 min), of Wrath (+6-9 max) and of Joyfulness (+1-4 min). So since neither Scarlet or of Joyfulness can account for +5 min alone you must have all three on your jool. Which is very cool :)

    (Can't be 4 mods because there is no +max prefix available before clvl 9).
     
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    Oooh... Imagine a Crystal Sword, superior, with 6 sockets, and 6 +8-9 damage jewels socketed... 54-71 damage, very fast speed at clvl 8.... And even room for 6 more mods on those jewels!!!! *Droooooool* Add in an Ancient Armor, 4 sockets with ED/-req jewels and a Crown with the same jewels.... GOD, what a low level duel equipment!!!
     

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