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Jala's or Nightwing?!FOR my Wind Druid:)

Discussion in 'Druid' started by NightKidzZ, Apr 9, 2005.

  1. NightKidzZ

    NightKidzZ IncGamers Member

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    Jala's or Nightwing?!FOR my Wind Druid:)

    Hi all the xperts:)
    I just want ask which helm should I use 4 my druid: Jala's w/Shael, Nightwing w/5-5 die cold?, or Shako w/Um rune? Or else?!
    Help me on this one pls....Meanly use in PvP:)
     
  2. Bigru

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    im no expert, but i wouldnt use nightwings, as tornado aint cold damage, its physical, shako/jalals would depend on the rest of your gear, like how much dam reduce u have, fhr from other gear, res etc.
     
  3. JohnnyDepp

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    personally i have tried all three, and i prefer nightwings, if ur at a high enough lvl where sage is maxxed and u have a high dext Nightwings and are going for max bloc the life is more than can be provided by shako or jala ( i use mage plate so dont need str anywase) 1 point vita is 7-8 life with maxed sage (possibly more, but im not maxed yet)
    i have a 19 dex nightwings so thats like a 17 points saved for vita....17*8= 136 extra for vita...that more than what shako can provide, on a down note i made the mistake of using a cold die 5/5, i think its a mistake.... is there a cube reciept that can take off that jewel and renew the socket? and if there is what should i socket it with? right now my druid owns just about everything, (switch gear in extreme cases)

    ps: NightWings loooks the COOLEST....unless u have a good helm that looks like a goats head....nothing beats resembling diablo....u look like a demon with horns.
     
  4. NightKidzZ

    NightKidzZ IncGamers Member

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    My Gear:
    Helm: Um'd Shako, Jalals
    Armor: Enigma (Super dusk)
    Weapon: HOTO
    Shield: Storm Shield, Sprit Mon
    Ammy: Mara's
    Rings: 2xSoj
    Belt: Arachnid
    Glove: Up'd Magfist, Trang Glove
    Boots: Sand Terk
    Charms: 10x EleGc 10x 5%fhr sc (going to change to 10x 20lifesc ?!?!)
    Char Lv: 80
    RES: In Hell w/ um'd shako (Fire:2, Cold:37, Light:43, Poision:101[75])
    FCR: 114
    FHR: 115 w/ 8x 5%fcr sc
    Damage R/D: 0

    What do I need next?! or what should I use for PvP ?! Help me out guys please:)

    Cheers
     
  5. Bigru

    Bigru IncGamers Member

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    well with spirit u wont need or want block, so dex wont affect you, shako gives 2 to all attributes so thats 6 useful points, so 6 more vit essentially, if im not mistaken the 100 or so life from shako is affected by oak and bo, could be wrong but overall shako should be better for life, especially if ur not going for block. also 10% dam reduced is good, with storm u will have max (enigma as well) and without it 18% is better than 8. nightwings will only improve your hurricane damage, which isnt your main killer i dont think, try get an anni also
     
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    Jalal is the way to go. Nightwing's +Cold dmg only affects Hurricane which you won't use to kill.
     
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    I prefer Jahals over Knighwings. There isn't much of a cold damage boost added to hurricane anyways. Besides Jahals has hella good mods.
     
  8. NightKidzZ

    NightKidzZ IncGamers Member

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    Thanks guys for the help:)
    And here is more question I want to ask:
    1. If I use Jalals helm, what should I soc with it?!
    2. Should I get 10x 20life sc?!
    3. If I want to max the block with storm shield how much dex do I need?!
    4. If I max the block, with CTA and Oak, how much life can I get?!
    Thanks again guys:)

    Tech me how to duel:)
    Is it just right botton Tele on top of them, and click left botton,use Tornado?! Or there is other way to do this?!!!?? help me pls..
    thx
    cheers
     
  9. RetroStar

    RetroStar IncGamers Member

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    1. Um for resist or Shael if you need to get to the 99%FHR bp.
    2. 20Life +other mods work really well
    3. There is a formula I'm sure one of our members can dig up. I don't have time now.
    4. Depends really on how much vitality you have. (If you place any points into str at all)
     
  10. Voice

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    Here is an example from the strat comp. on how to calculate max block yourself.

    Total Blocking = [(Blocking * (Dexterity - 15)) / (Character Level * 2)]

    Blocking = A total of the Blocking on all of your items. (E.g: Guardian Angel, Twitchthroe, Any Shield, Holy Shield)
    [] = Round Down

    Note: Blocking on shield shown in game is capped at 75% while it may actually be higher. For a true account of most shields blocking ability... Look here for Unique, Set, and Magical/Rare shields. (for magical/rare, add the Blocking % from the suffix to the base blocking)

    Note 2: Block chance is divided by 3 after the 75% cap. You can't block more than 25% when running.

    Example: A lvl85 Paladin with 100 Dex, Guardian Angel(20%), lvl20 Holy Shield (35%) and a Herald of Zakarum(82%).

    Total Blocking = [(Blocking * (Dexterity - 15)) / (Character Level * 2)]
    = (20 + 35 + 82 * (100 - 15)) / (85 * 2)
    = (20 + 35 + 82 * (85)) / (85 * 2)
    = (20 + 35 + 82 * (85)) / 170
    = (20 + 35 + 82 * (85)) / 170
    = (137 * 85) / 170
    = 11645 / 170
    = 68.5
    = 68% Chance to Block
     
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    It says u have 115 fhr, and you only need 99 and 99 fcr so u can take oiff some small 5s and if u use jalas u can p ruby it or um instead of shaeling
     
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    Jalals' give 2 Druid, resists, strength, energy and FHR (life essentially), Nightwing's with 2 skills. Hurricane is dick all, it doesn't do anything if the other player is actually decent, it's for stunning, not killing.

    Jalals' > Nightwings BY FAR.
     
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    You could also throw the formula around and put Dex in front. Because everyone is going 75% block anyway , and I know lots of people have problems using this formula , because they're not really used to math.:D Anyway , he's the same formula , but then with Dex in front.

    Dex = [(Blocking * Char level * 2) / Total block - 15]

    lets say you're level 90 , and want to know the Dex needed for 75% block with stormshield. You have a lvl 20 holy shield on aswell (35% block)

    Dex = [(Blocking * Char level * 2) / Total block - 15]
    Dex = [(75 * 90 * 2) / 112 - 15]
    Dex = [13500 / 112 - 15]
    Dex = [120.53 - 15] = [105.53]
    Dex = 106 (you always need to round up here)

    As a druid you ofcourse don't have holy shield , and the blocking of stormshield itself is 67 instead of 77 , but it was just an example.:D
     
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    I think you got something wrong there m8 :p

    Total Blocking = [(Blocking * (Dexterity - 15)) / (Character Level * 2)]

    Blocking * (Dex-15) = Total blocking * character level * 2
    Dex - 15 = Total blocking * character level * 2 / Blocking
    Dex = Total blocking * 2 * character level / Blocking + 15

    So your example would be:
    Dex = 75 * 2 * 90 / (75+35) + 15 = 138 dex ^^

    To check if it is calculated right this number will be placed in the formular above:

    Total Blocking = [(Blocking * (Dexterity - 15)) / (Character Level * 2)]

    Total Blocking = 110(138-15) / 180 = 75 :D
     
  15. Lunatic

    Lunatic IncGamers Member

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    Sorry , the -15 should be +15. The rest is correct though. :D So in my example it's 136 dex yes.

    ps.
    The blocking on Stormshield = 77% , not 75%. You used 75 + 35 , while it should be 77 + 35.
     
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    okay... but it states 67% for druids on Diabloii.net :S
     
  17. Voice

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    Your right its 67% for druids ... lunatic is just thinking pally ... as is obvious from his example. :D
     
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    Doh sorry I'm mixing threats up right now :S
     

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