This surprised me too, at first, but then again MS sees Mac Office as a "get out of jail free" card it can use when it's accused of monopolistic practices and predatory pricing and stuff.Steel_Avatar said:What I am surprised at is MS' statement that they will develop versions of Office for the new x86 Macs.
Don't hold your breath. Apple is and will remain for many years a hardware company, and they'll do what they can to keep OS X running on Apple machines only. I don't doubt that some hackers will come up with a BIOS kludge to get it running on certain beige boxes, but it's going to be unsupported.Steel_Avatar said:I'm very interested to see if MacOS X will run on commodity hardware. If it will, I might be convinced to get myself a copy to see how it runs.
Well yeah, since Apple is instructing developers to stop developing PPC-specific stuff. The list of requirements for Rosetta is pretty frightening to folks who've been doing PPC software for a while:Steel_Avatar said:Durf: I agree that the PPC iron market isn't going away; I guess I should have been more specific. I meant that MacOS development for the PPC core is going to go down the ****ter.
(source)Rosetta does not run the following:
* Applications built for Mac OS 8 or 9
* Code written specifically for AltiVec
* Code that inserts preferences in the System Preferences pane
* Applications that require a G4 or G5 processor
* Applications that depend on one or more kernel extensions
* Kernel extensions
* Bundled Java applications or Java applications with JNI libraries that canâ€™t be translated
Yeah, but there's lots of things you can do to a motherboard to make sure it's an approved setup for the software to run on. There's interesting stuff in this post and the comments that follow it, including:Steel_Avatar said:Interestingly enough, I've read comments from Apple muckitymucks that say that the new Mactel boxes will not use the Open Firmware approach used in the current Mac boxes. This leads me to believe, again, that Apple will be using an off-the-shelf CPU from Intel, and not a new proprietary design.
I don't know what the developer NDA covers, so I won't go into too much detail on this, but I have a source who has provided me with some details on the IA-32 machines that are going to start shipping to ISVs in a couple of weeks. They're Power Mac G5s with almost totally stock system boards and new, air-cooled IA-32 PMUs. The U3H memory controller and bridge ASIC has been altered to match the bus timing of the IA-32 processor, but that's all. Everything else on the system board is exactly the same. The internal components are all still connected via Hyper Transport through the K2 ASIC and the PCI-X bridge chip. The PMUs have 3.6 GHz Pentium 4 processors on them, but these will definitely not be the processors that Apple ships next year. The processors will be IA-32-instruction-set-compatible, but they will not be Pentium chips. They're going to be specially designed processors that Intel delivers to Apple but to no other customers, binary compatible with the Pentium family but not identical to any off-the-shelf microprocessor. For lack of a better name, I've taken to calling them "G6," but that's totally my own invention and not meant to be in any way authentic. It's just my own shorthand.
I don't know, it doesn't sound like it is going to be that big of deal, though it means I will want to wait a year now to buy a new laptop....We've been through many transistions. 680x0 to PowerPC, Mac OS 9 to Mac OS X. Today we begin a third transition. It's true; We are switching to Intel. Why are we switching to Intel? Intel offers great performance. Intel offers great power consumption. The transition will take a few years, but it will be worth it. We want to be making the best computer for the customer going forward. June 2006 will begin our Intel transition. By June 2007, we will be complete.
We face two challenges. The first, is Mac OS X on Intel. We've been maintaining Mac OS X on Intel AND PPC, secretly, for the past 5 years, just in case. Now is the time. Every prior release of Mac OS X has been compiled for multiple architectures.
The demos of the last half-hour of Tiger have been on a Pentium 4.
No, that's my evil twin, I swear.Steel_Avatar said:PS: I've seen you all over the Ars forum thread about this