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It really seems like that clvl affects hell forge drops !

Discussion in 'Theorycrafting and Statistics' started by DarthLeader, May 4, 2008.

  1. DarthLeader

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    It really seems like that clvl affects hell forge drops !

    Hi all,

    Recently, I made 2 EAST SC L sorcs. They were both lvled up to clvl 90. Probably a month ago, I did the first hell forge: I got an ist.

    Right now, I reached lvl 90 with my new sorc and did hell forge.

    I got ist again!!!

    I didn't repair the hammer in the 2 cases.

    Is this a freaking incredible luck or I discovered something ?

    DarthLeader
     
  2. HarbingerOfDeth

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    Re: It really seems like that clvl affects hell forge drops !

    my 4 last hell hf's have given me 4 ist's, only one of those guys was +85, while others were lower than 10.
    It's luck I think
     
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    Re: It really seems like that clvl affects hell forge drops !

    Its the hammer that is the clue here. It got nothing to do with level, its all in the hammer.




    KremBanan, nuturing bnet rumors.



     
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    Re: It really seems like that clvl affects hell forge drops !

    There's water in beer, there's water in wine, there's water in booze. Each time I get drunk, I was drinking something with water in it :scratch:

    I'm not fighting windmills any longer BTW.
     
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    Re: It really seems like that clvl affects hell forge drops !

    One-Proportion Z-test, anyone?

    Like ^he said, you're going to need at least 268 samples to get a 90% confident result.
     
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    Re: It really seems like that clvl affects hell forge drops !

    haha.....first time I have find STAT class to be somewhat useful lol.....But in this case I believe a non-parametric test must be used since the SD isn't the same? :D
     
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    Re: It really seems like that clvl affects hell forge drops !

    ...or find the algorithm the game uses to generate hellforge drops.

    @krischan: you said they were dragons....
     
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    Re: It really seems like that clvl affects hell forge drops !


    Screw you and your statistics omgwtfbbqpwned.

    Quite clearly repeating something once is a statistically significant sample. I will now proceed to level all of my characters to 90 before the hell forge to ensure I am swimming in ISTs... it's gauranteed not to fail... I can't loose.... well maybe not....

    BTW if you had repaired the hammer you would have got two GULs of course. (WTF does repairing the hammer have to do with anything?)



     
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    Re: It really seems like that clvl affects hell forge drops !

    i had about twenty-something hell-hellforges this ladder. 6 or 7 with regular chars, the others with mules (lvl 5 and below). i got a gul, mal and ist from the regular chars (the rest were at the lower end). i got 6 ist and rest lower end runes from the mules. what does this tell us?

    1. i got quite lucky so far ;) even though i never repaired the hammer and i only had a full moon on two of those hf.
    2. char level doesnt have any obvious relation to result (at least not with such a low number of tries).
    3. taken the other results here into consideration, there maybe an "ist-glitch" for hf, as they seem to drop the most.
    4. my mules were all barbs or druids, maybe they get more likely an ist.
    5. or, we should wait until someone got a better sample of tests (maybe 11k with each low level mules and lvl 90+ chars and once for each char-class), to draw any conclusion beside the obvious (even 1/11 chance for any rune between hel and gul)
     
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    Re: It really seems like that clvl affects hell forge drops !

    Naaah, I take the OPs statistics as valid.



     
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    Re: It really seems like that clvl affects hell forge drops !

    =(

    // hf code script
    int: pgem_var
    int: fgem_var
    int: rune

    waitfor ("quest2_activ") => then +1
    waitfor ("hell") => then +1
    if 1+1=2 then

    if clvl=90 & hammer_dur=max then
    drop: rune = 11 = Gul

    else drop: rune = rand(1-10) = Hel-Ist

    loop
    drop: fgem_var = rand(1-7)
    count +1
    end loop when count = 5
    drop: pgem_var = rand(1-7)

    goto ==> run: //server crash and make noobs lose permed runes



     
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    Re: It really seems like that clvl affects hell forge drops !


    Of course it's all so obvious now!

    Can't believe I missed that, must remember to repair my hell forge hammers too!



     
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    Re: It really seems like that clvl affects hell forge drops !


    The correct code script is as follows:

    // hf code script
    int: pgem_var
    int: fgem_var
    int: rune

    waitfor ("quest2_activ") => then +1
    waitfor ("hell") => then +1
    if 1+1=2 then

    if clvl=90 & hammer_dur=max then
    drop: rune = 11 = Gul elseif hammer_hits = 4 then
    drop: rune = 15 = Jah

    else drop: rune = rand(1-10) = Hel-Ist

    loop
    drop: fgem_var = rand(1-7)
    count +1
    end loop when count = 5
    drop: pgem_var = rand(1-7)


    Thus if you have time to hit the soulstone 4 times with the hammer before it breaks, you will get a Jah each time. I have done this myself a number of times. But you need at least 80ias off-hand to reach fastest breakpoint with that big hammer :azn:.



    ...




    ...



    #EDIT: Hmm. It used to work anyways....



     
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    Re: It really seems like that clvl affects hell forge drops !

    ...I didn't know they used basic to do the drop calculations :D
     
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    Re: It really seems like that clvl affects hell forge drops !

    I did yesterday hellforge with a 60 lvl half naked paladin. It is the noobest char I've ever had. It droped Gul.

    Please just stop geting paranoid about hellforge ... it's random nomatter what.
     
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    Re: It really seems like that clvl affects hell forge drops !

    You guys are all nooblars. The real code is

    if clvl >= 90 then
    if hammer_dura = max then
    if chat_gem_stat=ON then
    drop_rune = gul else drop random_rune
    call_drop_rune
    return

    Note gem stats. It doesn't work without it :p
     
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    Re: It really seems like that clvl affects hell forge drops !

    Haha. Awesome =)


     
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    Re: It really seems like that clvl affects hell forge drops !

    i try repaired and, still get me Um only ?????


     
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    Re: It really seems like that clvl affects hell forge drops !

    That's like complaining about rolling a 4 with a die, even though you washed your hands. :rolleyes:

    Um is rather OK. It's more or less the average value of a hell HF rune.

    Nothing affects HF rune drops.
     

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