Israel and its neightbors are at it again

WildBerry

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Re: Israel and its neightbors are at it again

Much appreciated. I didn't doubt it was happening, mind you, I just wanted to hear it from someone who didn't just assume it aforehand.

I'm happy you've broadened your list of reliable informants. Whatever happened to Amnesty being on the evil leftist-anti-west-pro-islamist side, I wonder?



 

jmervyn

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Re: Israel and its neightbors are at it again

I'm happy you've broadened your list of reliable informants. Whatever happened to Amnesty being on the evil leftist-anti-west-pro-islamist side, I wonder?
Oh, they're still on the anti-west side. Nothing changed there; it's far safer to scream bloody murder about the savagery at Guantanamo Bay than actually put one's precious Progressive hide at risk regarding Burma, North Korea, Iran, Saudi Arabia, etc. etc.

Besides, make too much noise and you don't stay on the gravy train.



 

WildBerry

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Oh, they're still on the anti-west side. Nothing changed there; it's far safer to scream bloody murder about the savagery at Guantanamo Bay than actually put one's precious Progressive hide at risk regarding Burma, North Korea, Iran, Saudi Arabia, etc. etc.
It's not like you should go to Amnesty's pages and actually see for yourself if they say anything about those. Here, I'll help you.

Burma, well, actually Myanmar, but who cares.

North Korea.

Iran.

Saudi Arabia.

Sure, I agree totally they quibble over meaningless stuff - go check my country in there and you might see what I mean. Even so, claimng that they're not doing their work with the third world is an equivalent to keeping your hands on your ears and yelling "la la la I'm not listening".

Besides, make too much noise and you don't stay on the gravy train.
The President of CNN can't spell Milosevic right? Yeah, must be bona fide.



 

AeroJonesy

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The President of CNN can't spell Milosevic right? Yeah, must be bona fide.
Real or not, that last sentence had to have been tacked on by someone other than the purported author.

1) The article has a better ending without it
2) The last sentence is rife with errors
3) The formatting on the last sentence is different
4) The sentence comes out of left field



 

WildBerry

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Re: Israel and its neightbors are at it again

Real or not, that last sentence had to have been tacked on by someone other than the purported author.

1) The article has a better ending without it
2) The last sentence is rife with errors
3) The formatting on the last sentence is different
4) The sentence comes out of left field
That is exactly why it looked strange an example to quote in an article that celebrated the genuine nature of the post.



 

jmervyn

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Re: Israel and its neightbors are at it again

Sure, I agree totally they quibble over meaningless stuff - go check my country in there and you might see what I mean. Even so, claimng that they're not doing their work with the third world is an equivalent to keeping your hands on your ears and yelling "la la la I'm not listening".
Speaking of hands over your ears, are you being dense or just difficult? With your history, I suspect the latter. My point is that Amnesty makes mountains out of Western molehills and then stands atop them screaming obscenity, while all but ignoring far greater abuses simply because they don't have any traction with monsters.

Does it invalidate their work? Not at all. But screaming bloody murder to anyone who will listen because some of those self-same monsters have been discomforted, while dropping a report of the most horrific acts that can be perpetrated upon humans into a filing cabinet and saying 'ho, hum' not only substantiates their bias but evidences their cowardice. If they <were> morally superior, they'd be screaming about the countries or companies giving support to the monsters, rather than throwing feces at the good guys because they're not quite spotless.

Amnesty pretty much doesn't bother because countries like Saudi Arabia, Russia, or China might be mean to them instead of making excuses. The same sort of logic that the Dutch government appears to be applying to Geert Wilders. Look hard enough and you'll find imperfection, but if you claim to be a watchdog, harping on imperfections or conjuring offenses rather than attending to the catastrophic is clear malpractice IMO.
The President of CNN can't spell Milosevic right? Yeah, must be bona fide.
I think this might be the original, though I can't be sure.



 

WildBerry

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Re: Israel and its neightbors are at it again

Speaking of hands over your ears, are you being dense or just difficult? With your history, I suspect the latter. My point is that Amnesty makes mountains out of Western molehills and then stands atop them screaming obscenity, while all but ignoring far greater abuses simply because they don't have any traction with monsters.

Does it invalidate their work? Not at all. But screaming bloody murder to anyone who will listen because some of those self-same monsters have been discomforted, while dropping a report of the most horrific acts that can be perpetrated upon humans into a filing cabinet and saying 'ho, hum' not only substantiates their bias but evidences their cowardice. If they <were> morally superior, they'd be screaming about the countries or companies giving support to the monsters, rather than throwing feces at the good guys because they're not quite spotless.

Amnesty pretty much doesn't bother because countries like Saudi Arabia, Russia, or China might be mean to them instead of making excuses. The same sort of logic that the Dutch government appears to be applying to Geert Wilders. Look hard enough and you'll find imperfection, but if you claim to be a watchdog, harping on imperfections or conjuring offenses rather than attending to the catastrophic is clear malpractice IMO.
This is all I can say about this. They're not "all but ignoring" the "monsters". They're not going "ho hum". What they're doing is not "pretty much not bothering". If you had read the links I posted, you would've had the chance with your own eyes to read their reports and condemnations, that they've already written beyond recount. If the politicians and the general populace of the West ignores these reports, the problem lies with the receiving end, not the sending one.

You're just deciding for yourself that the Amnesty doesn't write and report and lament on the deeds of the monsters, and when shown that their actions do not correspond with your conjured image of their deeds you simply brush aside the truth, because it does not suit your view of them and breaks the heavenly harmony of your self-deception. Sure they report where the West breaks against the rights it has itself verified, but how is that Amnesty's fault that we cannot keep what we promise? Or is it only worth mentioning if we draw and quarter someone?



 
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jmervyn

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If the politicians and the general populace of the West ignores these reports, the problem lies with the receiving end, not the sending one.
So you're pretty much stating that the adoring care they lavish upon even the slightest American infraction is somehow no different from cursory statements about hostile nation-states' actions, and that we simply don't pay attention to all their other reports. Did I understand that correctly?
Sure they report where the West breaks against the rights it has itself verified, but how is that Amnesty's fault that we cannot keep what we promise? Or is it only worth mentioning if we draw and quarter someone?
My point being that they report on any American (or often Western) misbehavior with far more fanfare than they do on the far larger number of other bad actors. Is there some sampling error on my part? Perhaps. But if you look at their main page, the EBILEMPYRE-type claims are the only ones to be found - inferring that whatever the West has touched (or what Amnesty wants them to touch) is going/gone to Hell in a handbasket, while the rest of the world's problems don't receive this sharp focus. If they weren't pulling that PETA-esque bullcarp with the orange jumpsuit theatre, I'd be far less scornful of their politics.



 
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