Israel and its neightbors are at it again
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Dirty_Zulu
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Re: Israel and its neightbors are at it again
Christ, why do you even click on respond.
A very productive response from you.
Christ, why do you even click on respond.
AeroJonesy
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Lebanon is getting in on the action too.
Unfortunately the appearance is that the world doesn't come out and condemn random attacks against Israel. Hamas is fighting Israel now, but we don't know who fired the first rockets, and now we don't know who fired the ones from Lebanon.
But no one speaks out against it, so Israel fights back. Suddenly Israel is the bad guy. I'm not saying Israel isn't, just trying to explain why they are fighting back so hard.
Lebanon is getting in on the action too.
Unfortunately the appearance is that the world doesn't come out and condemn random attacks against Israel. Hamas is fighting Israel now, but we don't know who fired the first rockets, and now we don't know who fired the ones from Lebanon.
But no one speaks out against it, so Israel fights back. Suddenly Israel is the bad guy. I'm not saying Israel isn't, just trying to explain why they are fighting back so hard.
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To keep in line with the original topic I agree with what AeroJonesy said
I love watching the cricket except when Australia is playing England in a test, man are England boring and with the introduction of 20/20 it adds a whole new aspect to the game
To keep in line with the original topic I agree with what AeroJonesy said
llad12
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When one nation pens-up the people, starves them, blasts them with high tech weapons, and finally marches into their land, you are not necessarily going to be seen as the good guys with white hats.
MagisterMan
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Sure one can understand why Hamas fires rockets, but it doesn't justify them doing so. There are no good and bad guys in this conflict.
Sure one can understand why Hamas fires rockets, but it doesn't justify them doing so. There are no good and bad guys in this conflict.
jakotaco
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Unlike which conflict exactly? :scratchchin:
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Galabab
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You see your arguments are stupid. They dont make sense.
You fail.
I still had the most logical comments on page 8. But nobody seems to be able to meet the truth.
HAHAHAHA.
why not? A lot of nations did that to germany and became heroes.
You see your arguments are stupid. They dont make sense.
You fail.
I still had the most logical comments on page 8. But nobody seems to be able to meet the truth.
HAHAHAHA.
jmervyn
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Why, yes. And Hamas expelled the proper "Palestinian" government in Gaza despite their electoral victory. Perhaps your n00z cycle was preoccupied...
Well, they've taken nothing by force; they simply want to kill people. Not sure where you're going here.
Yes, yes, I know, you types have a basic failure to understand the Geneva and Hague conventions - we have no need to rehash all that here. :jig: Oh, and as for the difference between <talking about> killing civilians and actually doing so, well, Hamas has a track record of being quite happy to kill both Americans and Israelis without deliberation.
And a good job it was, but don't worry about reception here - if you didn't already recognize the intellectual calibre of the forum, you'll love this next bit:
Comments? How about, "Sometimes I wonder why I even bother."?
You commies sure stick together. :coffee:FAUX n00z said:
Appearance? I would have thought "fact" was the appropriate term.
HegemonKhan
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IMPORTANT NOTICE: this is MY OWN VIEW on the middle east and its conflict:
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first off, i must point out that:
i am biased.
second, i must point out the process i used that resulted in my bias:
based on my observations, understanding, analysis, interpretation, and judgement of present and past human actions, i come out pro isreal-jewish people and anti arab-muslim people.
and finally onto my view:
there's only 2 places on earth currently that has massive large scale violence. africa and the middle east. europe is at peace. americas (both north, "central", and south) are at peace (i'm well aware of the problems they have with drug cartels, kidnapings, and opressive-tyranical gov and police-military forces. but this is its own monstrous issue and i don't wanna get off topic with it). asia is at peace (i'm well aware of north korea and the murdering of buddhist monks by chinese. but this is its own monstrous issue and i don't wanna get off topic with it). australia is at peace. antarctica is at peace
africa:
the violence there is sickening (darfur, sri lanka, rowanda, somalia, sri leon?, etc..), but at least they keep the violence to themselves, to africa (excluding the pirates).
mddle east:
most violent place and people in the world. their entire history has probably nearly been non-stop violence and war. from Babylon vs Ur vs Sumer (mesopotamia: 3 ancient "city-state" powers: Babylon, Ur, Sumer) to babylon vs egypt vs jewish tribes and persia and ottoman empire to the modern iraq, iran, arabia, afghanistan, pakistan, etc. now europe was the worst, most war and violence, of all in past history, but they finally grown up (after ww2) and even formed the EU and are very peaceful now. asia is very peaceful now. in past history they have had wars and violence too, maybe close to europe, with the chinese kingdoms and dynasties and unification wars, mongols vs china, japan vs china, north and south korea, vietnam, etc...
(being an american, we aren't taught much about asia, its all about europe: greeks, romans, england, italy, germany, france, dutch, spain, portugal, russia, etc...so forgive my limited knowledge of asia and its conflicts)
both africa and the middle east has an actual culture of violence, the difference is that africa keeps the violence to africa, but the middle east spreads-sends its violence out to the peaceful world and murder innocent people.
also, with the middle east being the holy land of all three major religions (islam, judiasm, christianity) doesn't help either.
isreal, palistinians, and the rest of arab-muslim middle east:
isrealis:
have been the most abused of all humans on earth past and present. the bible tells of this history in ancient times. kicked out of babylon. abused by eyptians and kicked out of egypt. war with persians and arabs-muslims over control of the holy land. initially persecuted by the romans before charlegmagne and christianity took over the holy roman empire. in modern times: mass murdered by the germans. constantly victims of hate crimes and scapegoating. a near entire middle east arabs-muslims that want to do what hitler and germans couldn't, annihilation. an entire world that forgot or doesn't care anymore about isrealis-jewish people and are against them now (shame on all europeans and americans who are anti-isreal). a world that ignores the violence and atrocities of the middle east and is unable to see isreal's self defense as self defense is immensly DISTURBING.
palistians:
anyone and everyone has the RIGHT to a home. palistians and isrealis have the right to a home. the middle east is home to many many people. its the birthplace of the 3 major religions (judiasm, islam, christianity) and their people (jewish people, muslims-arabs, christians). the middle east IS the isrealis-jewish people's home. the middle east IS the muslims-arabs home. the middle east IS the christian's home. the middle east IS the palistian's home. the middle east IS the persian or (sunni or shi'ia. i apologize for my ignorance at not knowing-remembering which has the persian ancestry and which has the arab ancestry) home.
the ("current") isreali-middle east conflict:
(this is no longer an isreali-palistinian conflict and never has been. the middle east has been at war with isreal since isreal was created in the middle east)
the jewish people-isrealis are NOT trying or desiring to annihilate-murder-genocide the arabs, palistians, iranians, lebonese, afghanistan, etc.. palistians i hope are not trying annihiliate-murder-genocide the jewish poeple-isrealis or the arabs or iran.
but many middle east poeple and their countries ARE commiting or trying to commit genocide against the jewish people and isreal, be they hamas, hesbulah, iran, al'queda, arabia, iraq, afghanistan, pakistan, or whoever else is committing violence, murder, and genocide against the entire world (9-11 world trade towers in U.S., madrid spain train bombing, london busses bombing, india-mumbai? hotel murders, kidnapping and beheading of journalists-reporters like daniel pearl and isreali soldiers, violating the geneva conventions of rules of treatment of prisoners, indonesia terrorism murders-genocide, waging war with isreal for like 30 years or so by the act of war of sending missles across borders into isreal and kidnapping and killing isrealis and non-isrealis, etc...
of course there's mass casualties in the gaza strip, it's called WAR. ya, i know its a shock to the peaceful-paficist countries of the world, but people DIE IN WAR, especially when the theatre of war is urban (in cities). the middle east has been at war with isreali ever since it was created in the middle east. only now has the isrealis waked up and started to finally participate in the war that has been going on for 30 or more years. shooting missles across your countries borders into another country IS AN ACT OF WAR, and that is what the middle east has been doing for 30 years to the isrealis: waging a 1 sided war. well, now isrealis are waging war back and now we are seeing the 2 sided war with the death and destruction now also occuring in gaza and lebonon as it has been occuring in isreal for 30 or more years. kidnapping soldiers and murdering (isreali) soldiers and civilians IS AN ACT OF WAR and has been going on for 30 or more years. the rhetoric of the world is absurdly literally insane and thats the most frightening thing of all. what has happened to humanity to be cheering for and siding with and supporting the eastern genocidal hitler germany known as or called: the middle east.
the middle east is literally hitler's eastern genocidal germany that still survives 64 years later in 2009. "time flows like a river and history repeats itself" -SOM1 video game, except now the world is allied to modern hitler germany (the middle east) instead of against it.
the U.S is NOT sending out "americans" (U.S. people) to murder innocent people around the world. europe is NOT sending out europeans to murder innocent people around the world. asia is not sending out asians to murder innocent people around the world. africa is NOT sending out africans to murder innocent people around the world. the americas (north, "central", south) is NOT sending out americans (non-U.S. people) to murder innocent people around the world. australia is NOT sending out austrialians to murder innocent people around the world.
the middle east is the ENEMY and VILLIAN to the entire world. anyone who sides with the middle east and its deadly cancer of world violence is an enemy and villian to the world. u are evil or insane to side with a threat to the entire planet earth and its human species.
remove the middle east from earth and we have world peace. (excluding africa and other smaller pockets of such violence like murder-genocide of buddhist monk by chinese and such)
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where was the U.N and the world demanding a "ceasefire" when 4,000 innocent people in the U.S. world trade towers were murdered ?
where was the U.N. and the world demanding a "ceasefire" when madrid, spain, subway and the inneocent people on it murdered?
where was the U.N. and the world demanding a "ceasefire" when london buses and innocent people were murdered?
where was the U.N. and the world demanding a "ceasfire" to the missles that have been attacking and murdering isreali innocent civililians for 30 or more years?
where was the U.N and the world demanding a "ceasefire" when isreali soldiers were kidnapped, tortured, and murdered VIOLATING the geneva converntion ?
where was the U.N. and the world demanding a "ceasefire" when daniel pearl and other journallists and news reporters were kidnaped, tortured, beheaded ??
where was the U.N. and the world demanding a "ceasefire" when india, mumbai? hotel was attacked and innocent people were murdered ?
where was the U.N and the world demanding a "ceasefire" when innocent people getting married at a wedding in jordan were murdered ??
where was the U.N and the world demanding a "ceasefire" when the iranian hostage crises occured ??
where was the U.N. and the world demanding a "ceasefire" when that pakistani or palistinian? (sorry it's been so long. i can't remember) woman abuto? was assassinated ???
where was the U.N. and the world demanding a "ceasefire" as the murderers shoot missles from within the gaza city's homes and schools and it's innocent civilian population against isreali innocent civilian in isreal ??
this insane rhetoric coming from the U.N, and the world has no legitimacy. the world has gone crazy. only a fool would pay heed and deference to it.
where was the security council with all of these instances of genocide that i have listed above ?
where were the cries of genocide for all that i have listed above ?
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war vs genocide-massacre:
WAR: violence or force with purpose OTHER THAN violence for its own sake
people die. if people don't die it's not a war. war is when a group of people (usually country-state size) needs something (politics-political) from another group of people (usually country-state size) OR war is self defense against an attack being it political (need-purpose) or criminal (hatred, no reason or purpose, pure malice or violence).
just because people are dying doesn't make it genocide or an atrocity or massacre. especially when its the agressors-attackers that are dying to a people that are simply defending their lives and their country from attack(s) by those people or their country.
unfortunately not every country and people is peaceful and pacifist, and war is still a reality and fact of life outside of these dislusional utopian peaceful and paficist countries in the real world. maybe one day every people and country will be peaceful and pacifist, until than, force and war is needed to match force and war.
genocide-massacre-atrocity-crime:
violence or force with NO purpose, except for malicious-violence-evil itself. to quote "alfred" about the "joker" in the movie, batman: the dark knight, "some people just wanna see the world burn." these type of people who "just wanna see the world burn" or rather "just wanna see people burn" and their actions is what constitutes genocide-massacre-slaughter-atrocity-crime.
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religion, government type, and democracy (voting) or not, does NOT matter:
there is NO bad religion or government type: there's ONLY bad people.
democracy (voting) has nothing to do with good or bad.
its the conduct of the people:
if the people use and abuse a religion (crusades or jihad/terrorism) (or catholic priests before martin luther exposed them and their fraudulent lies by translating the latin bibles to german so that the people could read for themselves what God said; and God didnt say anything about giving gold to the priests for salvation), its not the religion that is bad its the people that are bad and their conduct bad.
if the people vote for hitler or hamas, it doesn't make the government and its people good and legitimate. only bad people vote for bad leaders. its their culture of ciminal conduct and behavior.
(and stupid people vote for stupid leaders ..... my own country .... Bush... TWICE ... ughn ..and i was one of the stupid ones who was for bush .. and now we all regret it)
(U.S. has it's own troubles with democracy, not just 1945 germany and modern palistine)
democracy needs to STOP being a "buzz word" for "right", "good", and "legitimacy". democracy needs to go back to what it actually means: simply voting on-for your country's leader. democracy means the country is niether good or bad. WHO or WHAT u vote for determines whether you're a "good" or "bad" country and people (or in the case of U.S., a stupid country and stupid people...voting for Bush TWICE...).
IMPORTANT NOTICE: this is MY OWN VIEW on the middle east and its conflict:
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first off, i must point out that:
i am biased.
second, i must point out the process i used that resulted in my bias:
based on my observations, understanding, analysis, interpretation, and judgement of present and past human actions, i come out pro isreal-jewish people and anti arab-muslim people.
and finally onto my view:
there's only 2 places on earth currently that has massive large scale violence. africa and the middle east. europe is at peace. americas (both north, "central", and south) are at peace (i'm well aware of the problems they have with drug cartels, kidnapings, and opressive-tyranical gov and police-military forces. but this is its own monstrous issue and i don't wanna get off topic with it). asia is at peace (i'm well aware of north korea and the murdering of buddhist monks by chinese. but this is its own monstrous issue and i don't wanna get off topic with it). australia is at peace. antarctica is at peace
africa:
the violence there is sickening (darfur, sri lanka, rowanda, somalia, sri leon?, etc..), but at least they keep the violence to themselves, to africa (excluding the pirates).
mddle east:
most violent place and people in the world. their entire history has probably nearly been non-stop violence and war. from Babylon vs Ur vs Sumer (mesopotamia: 3 ancient "city-state" powers: Babylon, Ur, Sumer) to babylon vs egypt vs jewish tribes and persia and ottoman empire to the modern iraq, iran, arabia, afghanistan, pakistan, etc. now europe was the worst, most war and violence, of all in past history, but they finally grown up (after ww2) and even formed the EU and are very peaceful now. asia is very peaceful now. in past history they have had wars and violence too, maybe close to europe, with the chinese kingdoms and dynasties and unification wars, mongols vs china, japan vs china, north and south korea, vietnam, etc...
(being an american, we aren't taught much about asia, its all about europe: greeks, romans, england, italy, germany, france, dutch, spain, portugal, russia, etc...so forgive my limited knowledge of asia and its conflicts)
both africa and the middle east has an actual culture of violence, the difference is that africa keeps the violence to africa, but the middle east spreads-sends its violence out to the peaceful world and murder innocent people.
also, with the middle east being the holy land of all three major religions (islam, judiasm, christianity) doesn't help either.
isreal, palistinians, and the rest of arab-muslim middle east:
isrealis:
have been the most abused of all humans on earth past and present. the bible tells of this history in ancient times. kicked out of babylon. abused by eyptians and kicked out of egypt. war with persians and arabs-muslims over control of the holy land. initially persecuted by the romans before charlegmagne and christianity took over the holy roman empire. in modern times: mass murdered by the germans. constantly victims of hate crimes and scapegoating. a near entire middle east arabs-muslims that want to do what hitler and germans couldn't, annihilation. an entire world that forgot or doesn't care anymore about isrealis-jewish people and are against them now (shame on all europeans and americans who are anti-isreal). a world that ignores the violence and atrocities of the middle east and is unable to see isreal's self defense as self defense is immensly DISTURBING.
palistians:
anyone and everyone has the RIGHT to a home. palistians and isrealis have the right to a home. the middle east is home to many many people. its the birthplace of the 3 major religions (judiasm, islam, christianity) and their people (jewish people, muslims-arabs, christians). the middle east IS the isrealis-jewish people's home. the middle east IS the muslims-arabs home. the middle east IS the christian's home. the middle east IS the palistian's home. the middle east IS the persian or (sunni or shi'ia. i apologize for my ignorance at not knowing-remembering which has the persian ancestry and which has the arab ancestry) home.
the ("current") isreali-middle east conflict:
(this is no longer an isreali-palistinian conflict and never has been. the middle east has been at war with isreal since isreal was created in the middle east)
the jewish people-isrealis are NOT trying or desiring to annihilate-murder-genocide the arabs, palistians, iranians, lebonese, afghanistan, etc.. palistians i hope are not trying annihiliate-murder-genocide the jewish poeple-isrealis or the arabs or iran.
but many middle east poeple and their countries ARE commiting or trying to commit genocide against the jewish people and isreal, be they hamas, hesbulah, iran, al'queda, arabia, iraq, afghanistan, pakistan, or whoever else is committing violence, murder, and genocide against the entire world (9-11 world trade towers in U.S., madrid spain train bombing, london busses bombing, india-mumbai? hotel murders, kidnapping and beheading of journalists-reporters like daniel pearl and isreali soldiers, violating the geneva conventions of rules of treatment of prisoners, indonesia terrorism murders-genocide, waging war with isreal for like 30 years or so by the act of war of sending missles across borders into isreal and kidnapping and killing isrealis and non-isrealis, etc...
of course there's mass casualties in the gaza strip, it's called WAR. ya, i know its a shock to the peaceful-paficist countries of the world, but people DIE IN WAR, especially when the theatre of war is urban (in cities). the middle east has been at war with isreali ever since it was created in the middle east. only now has the isrealis waked up and started to finally participate in the war that has been going on for 30 or more years. shooting missles across your countries borders into another country IS AN ACT OF WAR, and that is what the middle east has been doing for 30 years to the isrealis: waging a 1 sided war. well, now isrealis are waging war back and now we are seeing the 2 sided war with the death and destruction now also occuring in gaza and lebonon as it has been occuring in isreal for 30 or more years. kidnapping soldiers and murdering (isreali) soldiers and civilians IS AN ACT OF WAR and has been going on for 30 or more years. the rhetoric of the world is absurdly literally insane and thats the most frightening thing of all. what has happened to humanity to be cheering for and siding with and supporting the eastern genocidal hitler germany known as or called: the middle east.
the middle east is literally hitler's eastern genocidal germany that still survives 64 years later in 2009. "time flows like a river and history repeats itself" -SOM1 video game, except now the world is allied to modern hitler germany (the middle east) instead of against it.
the U.S is NOT sending out "americans" (U.S. people) to murder innocent people around the world. europe is NOT sending out europeans to murder innocent people around the world. asia is not sending out asians to murder innocent people around the world. africa is NOT sending out africans to murder innocent people around the world. the americas (north, "central", south) is NOT sending out americans (non-U.S. people) to murder innocent people around the world. australia is NOT sending out austrialians to murder innocent people around the world.
the middle east is the ENEMY and VILLIAN to the entire world. anyone who sides with the middle east and its deadly cancer of world violence is an enemy and villian to the world. u are evil or insane to side with a threat to the entire planet earth and its human species.
remove the middle east from earth and we have world peace. (excluding africa and other smaller pockets of such violence like murder-genocide of buddhist monk by chinese and such)
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where was the U.N and the world demanding a "ceasefire" when 4,000 innocent people in the U.S. world trade towers were murdered ?
where was the U.N. and the world demanding a "ceasefire" when madrid, spain, subway and the inneocent people on it murdered?
where was the U.N. and the world demanding a "ceasefire" when london buses and innocent people were murdered?
where was the U.N. and the world demanding a "ceasfire" to the missles that have been attacking and murdering isreali innocent civililians for 30 or more years?
where was the U.N and the world demanding a "ceasefire" when isreali soldiers were kidnapped, tortured, and murdered VIOLATING the geneva converntion ?
where was the U.N. and the world demanding a "ceasefire" when daniel pearl and other journallists and news reporters were kidnaped, tortured, beheaded ??
where was the U.N. and the world demanding a "ceasefire" when india, mumbai? hotel was attacked and innocent people were murdered ?
where was the U.N and the world demanding a "ceasefire" when innocent people getting married at a wedding in jordan were murdered ??
where was the U.N and the world demanding a "ceasefire" when the iranian hostage crises occured ??
where was the U.N. and the world demanding a "ceasefire" when that pakistani or palistinian? (sorry it's been so long. i can't remember) woman abuto? was assassinated ???
where was the U.N. and the world demanding a "ceasefire" as the murderers shoot missles from within the gaza city's homes and schools and it's innocent civilian population against isreali innocent civilian in isreal ??
this insane rhetoric coming from the U.N, and the world has no legitimacy. the world has gone crazy. only a fool would pay heed and deference to it.
where was the security council with all of these instances of genocide that i have listed above ?
where were the cries of genocide for all that i have listed above ?
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war vs genocide-massacre:
WAR: violence or force with purpose OTHER THAN violence for its own sake
people die. if people don't die it's not a war. war is when a group of people (usually country-state size) needs something (politics-political) from another group of people (usually country-state size) OR war is self defense against an attack being it political (need-purpose) or criminal (hatred, no reason or purpose, pure malice or violence).
just because people are dying doesn't make it genocide or an atrocity or massacre. especially when its the agressors-attackers that are dying to a people that are simply defending their lives and their country from attack(s) by those people or their country.
unfortunately not every country and people is peaceful and pacifist, and war is still a reality and fact of life outside of these dislusional utopian peaceful and paficist countries in the real world. maybe one day every people and country will be peaceful and pacifist, until than, force and war is needed to match force and war.
genocide-massacre-atrocity-crime:
violence or force with NO purpose, except for malicious-violence-evil itself. to quote "alfred" about the "joker" in the movie, batman: the dark knight, "some people just wanna see the world burn." these type of people who "just wanna see the world burn" or rather "just wanna see people burn" and their actions is what constitutes genocide-massacre-slaughter-atrocity-crime.
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religion, government type, and democracy (voting) or not, does NOT matter:
there is NO bad religion or government type: there's ONLY bad people.
democracy (voting) has nothing to do with good or bad.
its the conduct of the people:
if the people use and abuse a religion (crusades or jihad/terrorism) (or catholic priests before martin luther exposed them and their fraudulent lies by translating the latin bibles to german so that the people could read for themselves what God said; and God didnt say anything about giving gold to the priests for salvation), its not the religion that is bad its the people that are bad and their conduct bad.
if the people vote for hitler or hamas, it doesn't make the government and its people good and legitimate. only bad people vote for bad leaders. its their culture of ciminal conduct and behavior.
(and stupid people vote for stupid leaders ..... my own country .... Bush... TWICE ... ughn ..and i was one of the stupid ones who was for bush .. and now we all regret it)
(U.S. has it's own troubles with democracy, not just 1945 germany and modern palistine)
democracy needs to STOP being a "buzz word" for "right", "good", and "legitimacy". democracy needs to go back to what it actually means: simply voting on-for your country's leader. democracy means the country is niether good or bad. WHO or WHAT u vote for determines whether you're a "good" or "bad" country and people (or in the case of U.S., a stupid country and stupid people...voting for Bush TWICE...).
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WildBerry
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JMerv, how about if you want to answer me, just answer, and stop hiding behind the "oh my God you have implied that the Israeli people are bad boo hoo I cannot live any longer /wrist" -routine. It is getting really old.
Also, if you had bothered to read the Wiki comment, you'd have notice I was aware of this. I'll requote, just so that you notice. It started: "Following the Battle for Gaza in June 2007..."
I was merely questioning your reasoning that taking a place by force means you're not legitimately in power - unless, of course, you happen to represent the Western ideals like you deem the Israel is doing.
Yes, he's a Commie Palestinian supporter (of which the latter is relevant, not the former, but I'll forgive your foaming at the mouth if you can wipe it yourself), but he's also a doctor. You can argue he's siding with the other party all day if you like, but unless you somehow address his estimations of the humanitarian crisis there as a doctor, it won't go away with all the commying in the world.
I don't think Mads is worth his salt either, but you're barking the wrong tree if you make that judgment on the cards he is carrying.
You call for a ceasefire when the other guy keeps shooting.
JMerv, how about if you want to answer me, just answer, and stop hiding behind the "oh my God you have implied that the Israeli people are bad boo hoo I cannot live any longer /wrist" -routine. It is getting really old.
They fought fire with fire in a conflict that had already taken a year with Fatah. What do you think they should've done? Pacifist resistance is not good enough for the Israeli, but Hamas should give it a shot?
Also, if you had bothered to read the Wiki comment, you'd have notice I was aware of this. I'll requote, just so that you notice. It started: "Following the Battle for Gaza in June 2007..."
I was merely questioning your reasoning that taking a place by force means you're not legitimately in power - unless, of course, you happen to represent the Western ideals like you deem the Israel is doing.
See, this is just the kind of no-content reply I told you about. If you don't feel like answering why I question you about the double standard you hold the folks in the Middle East, don't. Don't give me those "you said they're bad people waaah" replies. They're irritating as they are meaningless.
You tell me where on Protocol 1 of Geneva convention it is required to have a separate army to have "civil defense forces" it refers to before giving me **** about not understanding it, since that is what you claimed. If you can't find it, I'll tell you why. It's not there.
Yes, Hamas has, and what does that have to do with the guys who voted them? They have that record too, so you can KOS them? Oh snap, they don't have that record!
A partial political stance invalidates an opinion? That's great, it means I don't have to listen to you anymore.
Yes, he's a Commie Palestinian supporter (of which the latter is relevant, not the former, but I'll forgive your foaming at the mouth if you can wipe it yourself), but he's also a doctor. You can argue he's siding with the other party all day if you like, but unless you somehow address his estimations of the humanitarian crisis there as a doctor, it won't go away with all the commying in the world.
I don't think Mads is worth his salt either, but you're barking the wrong tree if you make that judgment on the cards he is carrying.
None of those acts of violence were conducted by a regular army, nor did they include (any further) military action. There was no fire to cease after the dust had settled.
You call for a ceasefire when the other guy keeps shooting.
HegemonKhan
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Re: Israel and its neightbors are at it again
genocide, can be commited by any individual human or a group or many groups of multiple humans. genocide doesn't apply only to military forces. genocide can occur within (or after victory) the theatre of war (rape of manking or U.S.'s genocide of the native americans) and outside the theatre of war (germany's holocast or the witch hunts or spanish inquisition)
according to what u said, in terms of crime and genocide is one of the ultimate crimes of all, a crime against humanity, you would not hold a criminal or murderer accountable and punish them, because the act had alredy been done...that's ubsurd. not holding humans who commit the greatest crimes possible accountable and punishing them is pure EVIL and mad insanity. as a human being, i am required to be fanatical in the belief that genocide is inhuman and those people or groups of people (countries) who do so are monsters that need to be challenged and punished accodingly.
hamas and like groups (both state and non-state) and invididuals ARE criminals and murderers. CRIMINALS and MURDERERS of the entire world.
and the U.N. and the world has said and done NOTHING about all these atrocities of arabs and muslims. the U.N. and the world has no right have no right to even speak to isreal. especially since this isn't the first time the world sat and watched as people tried to aniihilate the jewish people. ww2 and the holocast all over again from germany-poland in 1945 to the middle east in 2009.
i call for a ceasefire when i'm getting beat or losing or pwned
genocide, can be commited by any individual human or a group or many groups of multiple humans. genocide doesn't apply only to military forces. genocide can occur within (or after victory) the theatre of war (rape of manking or U.S.'s genocide of the native americans) and outside the theatre of war (germany's holocast or the witch hunts or spanish inquisition)
according to what u said, in terms of crime and genocide is one of the ultimate crimes of all, a crime against humanity, you would not hold a criminal or murderer accountable and punish them, because the act had alredy been done...that's ubsurd. not holding humans who commit the greatest crimes possible accountable and punishing them is pure EVIL and mad insanity. as a human being, i am required to be fanatical in the belief that genocide is inhuman and those people or groups of people (countries) who do so are monsters that need to be challenged and punished accodingly.
hamas and like groups (both state and non-state) and invididuals ARE criminals and murderers. CRIMINALS and MURDERERS of the entire world.
and the U.N. and the world has said and done NOTHING about all these atrocities of arabs and muslims. the U.N. and the world has no right have no right to even speak to isreal. especially since this isn't the first time the world sat and watched as people tried to aniihilate the jewish people. ww2 and the holocast all over again from germany-poland in 1945 to the middle east in 2009.
i call for a ceasefire when i'm getting beat or losing or pwned
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jmervyn
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Re: Israel and its neightbors are at it again
The reference was to my old enemy, Ill. He & I are a pair of coots that are like the OTF's Hatfields & McCoys, with me being a GI Joe clone and him being Boris from the Bullwinkle show. ...uh, except that I'm the world traveler and he's barely been outside Oklahoma. That's why I was LMAO at his slurping down that particular commie's claims - I mean, WB might claim to be a commie too but I doubt he's a Maoist. When you're pissed at Doctors Without Borders, one of the hand-wringin'est groups out there, you're pretty damned partisan.
They 'fought' nothing; they clearly demonstrated their true colors by being unwilling to participate in any kind of civilized process. Hamas wanted domination & blood, nothing less.
Ok, that makes a little more sense, even though your comparison fails completely. Gaza was captured by Israel from Egypt during a state of war, while Hamas took Gaza over in more or less a coup. One was a legitimate state actor in what would legally (I know you're big on law :whistling: ) recognized conflict, the other not.
Don't pick nits. A police force of a state is one thing, a gang of hoodlums within a terrorist group is another. You're pretending the one is the same as the other, which is ludicrous. There's not even anything but more propaganda by Hamas claiming that these so-called "police" were anything of the kind, considering that the barracks are used for the training of Hamas in general.
Sorry, WB, that makes no sense. I'm not trying to say that the Palestinian refugees deserve to be slaughtered because they support sub-human monsters. Clarify a bit.
My point being he's a long-standing ally of proven liars, committed to promoting their cause, and one for whom moderation is intolerable. The same sort of moderation, incidentally, which is far less than that being demanded of Israel.
Unless you're Hamas or any of the other Islamist groups, for which a ceasefire's only purpose is rearming.
WildBerry
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Re: Israel and its neightbors are at it again
One being a Communist does not prove him to consider moderation intolerable, either. You'd do better job at quoting Mads, if you wanted to show that. I'd agree it wouldn't be a hard feat.
By the way, I totally agree that calling for Medecines Sans Frontieres (I knew I could count on you to hate on a both Leftist and French originated organisation) to pick sides in a fight like this shows what a partisan prick he is, even if he would be right about the Palestinians suffering.
Maoists never were that big here, Finland might've been the only place in the Western Europe where people were seriously Stalinists in the 60s and 70s. I thought I told you I'm a Nationalist voter, though.
They fought Fatah. Are you saying that the fighting didn't happen because it didn't happen for meritous reasons? Sure, Hamas wanted bloodshed, and they wanted power, and they fought to get what they wanted - and they were taking both from Fatah.
So international conflicts are conflicts, but intranational are not? Civil wars are not wars? I don't know where you're going with this.
They're the de facto power there - it's not like there are any other people to install the police. Apparently, you'd accept no other people than the Israelites to do that, since it's Israel territory. If Fatah can do it, why can't Hamas?
That's the message that I've been getting. Let me see:
Especially the last one, in conjunction to what you were replying to, seemed to imply you don't really care if the Israeli forces hit the 6% that doesn't want them dead. If that's not what you meant, please elaborate.
Just to be sure: are you referring to the Norwegian Communists or Hamas to be the proven liars?
One being a Communist does not prove him to consider moderation intolerable, either. You'd do better job at quoting Mads, if you wanted to show that. I'd agree it wouldn't be a hard feat.
By the way, I totally agree that calling for Medecines Sans Frontieres (I knew I could count on you to hate on a both Leftist and French originated organisation) to pick sides in a fight like this shows what a partisan prick he is, even if he would be right about the Palestinians suffering.
I said nothing of the purpose, I was speaking for the official reason given. Sure, that's indeed what they're using every respite for given the chance.
Are you talking to me? I just said you misused the term. It would make no sense to call for a ceasefire when no-one's shooting. You might want to call for trial of the guilty - I'd be right with you there, yelling - sure, but cease-fire won't get you that. Argue against what I have said, not something you made up.
Re: Israel and its neightbors are at it again
http://www.newssafety.com/index.php?view=article&catid=278:palestine-gazza-safety&id=2623:gaza-journalist-critically-injured-by-israeli-gunfire&option=com_content&Itemid=100371
http://www.ifamericansknew.org/cur_sit/2shot.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rachel_Corrie
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Avery
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Hurndall
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Miller_(filmmaker)
When you and a few million of your buddies decide to move into another country with the stated goal of taking land from that country to form your own nation you can normally expect the folks already there to get a bit tetchy about the whole issue.
They have been participating for a lot longer than the last three weeks.
LOL
How do you have a ceasefire for an individual act? And I'm pretty sure most world leaders condemned every one of those attacks.
Probably the same place there were Israel does this sort of stuff:
http://www.newssafety.com/index.php?view=article&catid=278:palestine-gazza-safety&id=2623:gaza-journalist-critically-injured-by-israeli-gunfire&option=com_content&Itemid=100371
http://www.ifamericansknew.org/cur_sit/2shot.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rachel_Corrie
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Avery
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Hurndall
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Miller_(filmmaker)
You didn't notice the entire world condemning the attacks?
Like the rest - you seem to not only have an odd definition of 'ceasefire', applying it to individual acts, but you also seem to have missed the days/weeks/months of international condemnation of the people who took part in all these attacks.