ISO: Non-Cookiecutter

[Sechler]

ISO: Non-Cookiecutter

It's always fun to hear some of the ideas out there, but I'm really trying to brainstorm a unique pvp build which isn't easy so I was looking for a little forum assistance. There's gotta be something out there that isn't so damn cookie cutter, but really holds it's own in pvp. I've done throwers, dream sorcies, warcry, etc. which can sometimes be good vs. a particular class or type but will then get owned by everything else in the game. For example, my wc barb was a hoot vs. trappers but then any max block char would totally negate the warcry not to mention dr. I was thinking of some kinda wc/frenzy or wc/thrower but dmg and ar become issues.
I do know that no char can fully dominate, I'm just looking for something that will at least stand a chance vs. several other classes, and with A LOT of practice maybe beat majority of other classes (but of course not all). I know this thread surfaces every now and then, but I back tracked a ways and couldn't find one so I thought I'd put it out there again.
Thx for ideas in advance! :wink:

 

[Ce Olba]

It's always fun to hear some of the ideas out there, but I'm really trying to brainstorm a unique pvp build which isn't easy so I was looking for a little forum assistance. There's gotta be something out there that isn't so damn cookie cutter, but really holds it's own in pvp. I've done throwers, dream sorcies, warcry, etc. which can sometimes be good vs. a particular class or type but will then get owned by everything else in the game. For example, my wc barb was a hoot vs. trappers but then any max block char would totally negate the warcry not to mention dr. I was thinking of some kinda wc/frenzy or wc/thrower but dmg and ar become issues.
I do know that no char can fully dominate, I'm just looking for something that will at least stand a chance vs. several other classes, and with A LOT of practice maybe beat majority of other classes (but of course not all). I know this thread surfaces every now and then, but I back tracked a ways and couldn't find one so I thought I'd put it out there again.
Thx for ideas in advance! :wink:

Do you know what are the cookie-cutter builds? Builds capable of what you want to do. That's why they are so common.

 

[Sechler]

Of course I understand why people make cookie cutter-builds.

I'm just looking for ideas please... TY.

 

[Uncle_Mike]

Of course I understand why people make cookie cutter-builds.

I'm just looking for ideas please... TY.

http://forums.diabloii.net/showthread.php?t=535406 ??

:wink: non-cookie cutter and "ownage" do not usually go together...

 

[order]

just make a regular throw barb. they can be amazing if built right and i havent seen one played in about a year.

 

[jake007]

A zerker barb might just do the job.

 

[antirush]

The builds I've been pvping with lately:

Mage
Critical strike/plague zon - my current build is 9k cs 10k plague. Even a plain old legit cs zon is a pretty rare sight these days
59 charge/smite - It's great fun what you can do with this guy in a public duel game. He beats a lot of high level smiters:

Grief naga
Um'ed hoz
Um'ed shaft
string of ears
Um'ed RockStopper
20ias/15str/6dex/26 light res gloves
waterwalks
Bk//ravenfrost
3 pcombat 97 life amulet
cta/spirit on switch
20 life/resist scs

He does a bit less damage than a well built high level smiter but the range on the naga really helps vs all the pb smiters out there. He has 3,200 life as well as maxed resists in hell with decent stack.

 

[swish]

summoning druids and necros can be pretty nasty.

I saw this one summoning necro dominate a pub. What he did was that he made a portal into the cow level and summoned like 16 cows lol and then just slaughtered everyone. Of cause there are a lot of builds that can negate this but even so the summoner can win if he plays it right.

You could also make a bowa desynch zon? 125% fwr is enough to make you run invisible I believe. That's how much my bowa has and people say she disappears off the map all the time.

 

[jesterlolz]

Search function- fuzzy dodger :grin: .

 

[Ce Olba]

summoning druids and necros can be pretty nasty.

I saw this one summoning necro dominate a pub. What he did was that he made a portal into the cow level and summoned like 16 cows lol and then just slaughtered everyone. Of cause there are a lot of builds that can negate this but even so the summoner can win if he plays it right.

Life Tap or Sanctuary > Skeletons, 3 minutes of randoming or Life Tap > Revives.

A summoner cannot beat most casters. For example, a Windy totally trashes them, just as FB sorcs do.

You could also make a bowa desynch zon? 125% fwr is enough to make you run invisible I believe. That's how much my bowa has and people say she disappears off the map all the time.

Doom > Desynch, Doom > high speed knockback arrows.

 

[swish]

^ yea but doom is considered bm by most people...

Want to duel? I've handled some bm bvc doom barbs pretty nicely.

 

[swish]

Life Tap or Sanctuary > Skeletons, 3 minutes of randoming or Life Tap > Revives.

A summoner cannot beat most casters. For example, a Windy totally trashes them, just as FB sorcs do.

Yes duh, but the poster is looking for a non-cookie cutter build. Please read the thread. Windy's and fb's are considered cookie cutters obviously.

 

[Ce Olba]

Yes duh, but the poster is looking for a non-cookie cutter build. Please read the thread. Windy's and fb's are considered cookie cutters obviously.

Yes, but he never said that he will not duel cookie-cutters. And non-cookies always lose to cookies. This is because cookies taste better.

 

[SlyFox]

jesterlolz Search function- fuzzy dodger .

I agree, take a look at this one.

 

[stuslegend]

yea i second that fuzzy-dodger build,
might want to also consider a
wolfbarb | fire druid | charger/medic pally | rabies druid

 

[Fast Ed]

Bowbarb idea

I was thinking of makng a barb that uses Widowmaker+psn/life sc's. ON switch would be 2x death's web. The +2 to skills on each wand is also a decent prebuff. Fire arrows, switch out Death's Web, tele away, repeat.

I am thinking of something like:
20 Shout
20 BO
20 Iron Skin
20 Leap (max could be dope)
Rest in prereq's, BC, Natural Resistance/Increased Speed

Could be fun, too expensive for me

 

[Gimmershred]

yea i second that fuzzy-dodger build,
might want to also consider a
wolfbarb | fire druid | charger/medic pally | rabies druid

The fuzzydodger is fun for a short while, but you will get bored eventually with her.

wolfbarbs can be really strong/effective allroundchars.

Also if you have the patience to learn the firedruid (learn the spelltimers/tactics/loads of buttons etc) then it can be really an awesome dueller, until you get absorbed. I once saw an amazing fissure/tornado hybrid who did great.

Poison javazon with pretty decent fcr is one of the chars i still want to try.

You could also try an auradin in bearform.

 

[Sechler]

I've tried this before, but it was very early in the ladder and even with extremely high dmg, he got squashed by most chars..a fireclaw wolf with max armegeddon. My old one had a 3k armegeddon which helped at the time with small dmg and confusion, but if I rebuild I can get around 6.5k meteors, also 10k fireclaws. First build I only used oak too, so I'd add ravens and wolves for the rebuild which, yes I know, they wander but still help vs. foh, TS, charge, etc. I would also use enigma and roughly (20) 3max/20ar/3frw scs, (4) ss gcs w/ frw.... rest of gcs are lifers. A grand total of 163 frw seems it would solve some of the problems I had before. Of course very mobile and skilled casters would be impossible but if i definately would have a better chance with a range 5 wep, crazy frw and 7k meteors falling all over the place.
Gear would be something like this..
Jalal's fire facet
Nigma mage
PB w/ 2 shaels and 4 ias/2nd mod(ar,res) jewels
SS fire facet
Dungos
Treks or Gores
Metalgrid/Cat's Eye, Ravens or Angelics
CTA, spirit switch
inventory: ss gcs (life and frw), frw/max/ar scs, anni, torch

 

[bobofuzzlymunky]

zomg @ lvl 49 fohpally.

just made him, VERY non-cookie cutter, as all fohers ive ever seen are hi lvl, or lvl 30 LLD's. mine does 4k foh (~half of hi lvl foh's dmg, still need 1 more pcomb and a new armor)

Gear-

Helm- +1pally/20fcr/20frw/20ares/14ed faceted circ
+2Pcomb/energy/res/tele charges <-- :azn: ammy
3/3/1 -25/+25 FoH Stick
Faceted 217ed Shaft (gonna upgrade to 4os life armor with 4 facets, soon.)
Faceted 189ed HoZ
15dr SoE
SoJ
Raven
Bloodfists
30frw-tri-res boots

hes VERY fun.


also may i suggest a townie-druid (wears bramble, etc, uses grizzly to annoy ppl dueling.

 

[[exile]]

I vote for WolfBarb. Non-cookie, but I used to do relatively well with him against most casters, which isn't bad considering I'm not much of a dueler.