ISO: LLD V/T. Also a nice rant

[DaemonAkuma]

ISO: LLD V/T. Also a nice rant

I have had absolutely amazing success with my v/t in pvp dueling. The only build that gives me problems is (of course) hdins, and they only do assuming they run away, fade, and use 2x wisps+tgod (yes, one hdin went through all that trouble). Anyway, I want to convert this overwhelming prowess onto the LLD scene.

To date i have used a lld nec summoner (TONS of fun) as well as a Kicksin(also fun, but too many weaknesses imo). I have no real idea how to go about building this character though; I believe that "Honor" Naga is the weapon of choice for lld smiters? I really, really need input.

Now, the rant. FCers do not win, ever. Ever. They cheat. So they = lose automatically.

ES sorceresses that gulp down mana pots like a Vietnam vet with cough syrup also do not win; that is bm, as well as pathetic.

Whenever you beat me 4v1, no I was not pwned, and no you are not good.

If you have to jump, tg, or any other bm crap to win, you also suck and should uninstall.

Lastly, by and large BEHAVIOR is BM. For God's sake! Equipment and skills are not bad mannered. I actually had some guy tell me that it is bm to use charge and smite ( I didn't even desync; just closing the distance). Others say sorbing is bm, or having high resists. I thought that would be smart? O.O People can have DR, use btals and bmanas, all that other garbage but they whine about sorb and res? That's like a barb whining b/c you have too much defense, DR and block.

Life tap is BM b/c potting is bm. That's common sense. I really do not think it necessary to point that out.

My favorite was an hdin that had a druid parked in town with an oak sage. I still killed him. He had to slap on sorb and fade, even w/ the extra 6K life (or so) from sage. Grrr!

K sorry. Comment on rant if you want...I know that all of you suffer through these same problems I do (affectionately dubbed "pubby"). Let me just say that if ANY of you EVER find yourself being bmed, whisper me at *daemon1019 and I'll happily come lend a hand.

K, so anyhow...please help me with the v/t lld. I need everything: Skills, stats, and especially Gear. I really, really appreciate it :grin:

 

[brokensvt]

Daemon, I too considered this for LLD. I'm at work right now, but when I get home I'll play with skill points. As for a weapon, to avoid a unnecessary gear switch, I believe you're looking for a 5os war scepter with FoH, Conviction, and/or Charge/Might. I know there is a common duped item that sounds similar, but with much cowing you can find something of your own. Make this bad boy into a nice Honor, and carry a great Spirit.

Greg

 

[DaemonAkuma]

Hmm, the only problem would be finding this weapon without the facets in it already...but I can get looking anyhow.

Honor! Yes, that's the runeword I was thinking of, although I actually like having two weapon sets (one for FoH, one for Smite). That's how my high-level pvp V/T functions, and very effectively.

So perhaps "Honor" Naga (I have a 15% Superior dmg naga I found) with a melee shield of some kind, then the foh scepter (socketed with what?)+ Spirit on the other weapon switch. Sounds rather deadly. Would Vmagi+Peasant Crown still be applicable here (Like my kicksin)?

I'll be toying around with skills on Single Player myself and see where it leads me. Right now my major questions would be whether holy shield or Smite itself would give more dmg to Smite, and if either should have many points and not just max fanatacism (or some combination thereof). FoH I figure would, at the very most, have 20 foh and 0 holy shock. With 42 points to play with, not a lot of breathing room.

 

[crawlingdeadman]

get one w/ the facets and hel it.

 

[DaemonAkuma]

Lol sounds expensive, but oh well.

Oh, as a random thought, how much do those go for in pubs?

For other gear I thought maybe Skin of the Vmagi, Peasant crown, 15DR String, some nicely modded rings, and Mahim-Oak Curio amulet. Put "Rhyme" into a 25-30 res all Guilded shield (most smite dmg) for melee and use a spirit on the Foh weapon switch. Perhaps if max res are already met somehow an upped Twitchroe would be a good armor option?

 

[Camden]

Right now my major questions would be whether holy shield or Smite itself would give more dmg to Smite, and if either should have many points and not just max fanatacism (or some combination thereof).

In terms of damage here, since you're not using grief, it'll go holy shield > fanat > smite


Also I just looked up honor runeword, and don't understand the point of using it. Other than the +1 skill, none of its mods will help in any way... You'd probably be better off with a sceptor with +skills or even a malice pb

 

[brokensvt]

Because Honor is the GG one-handed charge weapon. Just an aside to the comment above about hel'ing out a "FoH stick," IIRC the white scepter takes on an ID # after faceting, which doesn't change upon runewording. If I'm wrong, well I'm wrong, but maybe this is a question for the statistics boys.

The nice thing with Honor is the fact that it can be made in a Paly scepter with up to 3 to 3 skills and get an additional 1 to all skills, not to mention the insane damage on the weapon.

Greg

 

[crawlingdeadman]

only when it's runeworded will it get an id from what i have read and have been told.

 

[yelopen]

Lol sounds expensive, but oh well.

Oh, as a random thought, how much do those go for in pubs?

For other gear I thought maybe Skin of the Vmagi, Peasant crown, 15DR String, some nicely modded rings, and Mahim-Oak Curio amulet. Put "Rhyme" into a 25-30 res all Guilded shield (most smite dmg) for melee and use a spirit on the Foh weapon switch. Perhaps if max res are already met somehow an upped Twitchroe would be a good armor option?

Rhyme isn't a good choice I don't think. The Spirit Shroud might be a good choice for armor too. 1 skill, CBF, rep, MDR, and nice defense.

I think many Smiters for LLD use Swordback for the 50 OW.

 

[HappyAssassin]

On the rant topic, the solution to all of those is pretty straight forward: Find a good friend, and pub in pairs. Ideally one person should have a char that blankets an area with damage, and both should be able to teleport. Complementary chars work well together, for example: Druid + Necro, Hammerdin + Trapper, WWsin + Necro, BvC + Necro, Trapper + Druid. These are just a few example, bowazons can be great also but they get in trouble if they die too far from town w/o a TP. Barring 3+ actually better duelers, 2 well matched players can take pretty much anything a pub can throw at them.

 

[DaemonAkuma]

Very true HappyAssassin. Only problem is I have yet to find anyone that good who uses any of those chars. Most of the ppl on my "friends" list do not pvp; the one's who do either are not especially talented or do not use characters that work well (necro, trapsin, hdin). Like I said, I can handle 90% of bm games myself (and a little help bringing in an Oak Sage Druid) but there are the few I can't...and that angers and bothers me. Lol.

Swordback? Hmm...I'll look into it. But isn't Spirit Shroud basically a toned-down vmagi w/o the res?

 

[Uncle_Mike]

Very true HappyAssassin. Only problem is I have yet to find anyone that good who uses any of those chars. Most of the ppl on my "friends" list do not pvp; the one's who do either are not especially talented or do not use characters that work well (necro, trapsin, hdin). Like I said, I can handle 90% of bm games myself (and a little help bringing in an Oak Sage Druid) but there are the few I can't...and that angers and bothers me. Lol.

Swordback? Hmm...I'll look into it. But isn't Spirit Shroud basically a toned-down vmagi w/o the res?

It has cbf which frees your belt slot - I guess that is the reasoning behind it. The rest of the stats are fairly similar.

 

[Queen Mebd]

On the rant topic, I wholeheartedly agree with Happy's advice. Even if some of your friends aren't the greatest duelers, it's never bad to have one around. Us ladder Grovers pub crawl a good bit together, and while we aren't what most think of as clear-the-whole-game types, it's nice for one of us to let the rest know 'that zon has poor resists, don't bother chasing her, just fissure away' or 'that barb has some pretty steep def, put on the angelics.' Plus at least a couple of us are bears that can stash block quite well. :wink3:

Out of curiosity and a little more off topic, how do you find yourself in such situations seemingly so often? (I remember the trade thread that followed your loss of some nice gear in such a case) Granted pubs will be pretty inane more often than not, you can always take a step back, wait it out or even leave and find a more worthwhile game.

And back on topic, Swordback could be useful for the 50% ow I'm assuming. And Spirit Shroud has the + skill and mdr like Vipermagi and the all-important cbf and life-replenishing while lacking resists. Though unless you have quite the belt, I'd think it'd be more practical to use the Vipermagi and Death's sash for the cbf than using a Spirit Shroud and trying to make up the resists elsewhere.

 

[Josiphos]

Leap is not bm...

Its the primary skill of BvC and BvA...

 

[DaemonAkuma]

I do almost nothing but duel in pub games. I should think that would provide a pretty good explanation of why it happens lol.

I've got the skill layout decided: I'm going with a swordback also (a good suggestion; great smite dmg + OW for hit n runs). I've got him all set up; thank you all for your input.

Besides...this probably sounds snobby...but I have very little trouble crushing ppl in duels...which tends to piss them off, so they get their buddies and decide to bm me. Yup.

 

[crawlingdeadman]

I've got him all set up; thank you all for your input.

OT: cool. duel me?

 

[crawlingdeadman]

Well the LLD v/t sucked, so I'm throwing him away in the interest of reviving my lld nec summoner who did 100000000000000x better. However his gear is not ideal.

hey, i saw you post this in EaTF and was wondering what your final gear looked like, what skill set you used, and why it sucked so bad. i cant imagine that you dueled a whole lot before you deicded it sucked so i was wondering how you screwed up on it or what you'd done that could be done better.

hybrids are hard to pull off well in hld without good to godly gear. it's about a hundred times harder to do a good hybrid in lld with thrown together gear. also, like in hld there are top builds and a nec summoner does poorly vs just about everything you'll meet. over half of the people you'll meet are going to be a fire sorc or a hammerdin. i'm not saying dont try a comon build i'm just saying that spending a couple minutes to make an army to have it destroyed in seconds is going to be anoying.

 

[brokensvt]

Agreed. I'm hardly a pro LLD'er myself, but don't hesitate to ask questions. I know, for example, that CDM, myself, and Smitty have all dueled a good bit(especially in pubs) and can share valuable experiences. Personally if I had been in your shoes I'd have built a Spirit in a decent damage shield and used an honor with skills pertinent to the build and used an Insight Partizan on switch for one. This would give you a versatile gear setup that allowed decent smite damage but an emphasis on FoH.

Greg