Is this rare item worth upgrading?

TekkaZeroX

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Is this rare item worth upgrading?

I was finally finishing off my Nihlathak quest with my lv. 86 werewolf druid and lv. 85 IK Concentrator Barbarian. After easily slaying the cocky would be necromancer with my druid, I took my Concentrator to kick Nihlathak's butt. When I killed him he dropped me this sweet mother of spears or at least I think he did. :scratch:

Demon Skewer
Pike
Two-Hand Damage: 104 to 466
Durability: 13 of 13
Required Dexterity: 45
Required Strength: 60
Required Level: 48
Spear Class - Fast Attack Speed
Item Version: 1.10 Expansion
Item Level: 95
Fingerprint: 0xbb9d240c
+396% Enhanced Damage
+237 to Attack Rating
Adds 1-4 cold damage over 3 seconds
40% Increased Attack Speed
Ethereal (Cannot be Repaired)


My question is whether this is rune-upgrading material? I am sure it is worthy of a simple ort, amn, and perfect saphire, but I am not sure whether an um and fal are really worth using?

What is the general damage if I were to upgrade this rare pike to a rare war pike? Personally, I do not have a good enough grasp what enhance modifiers like enhance defense and enhance damage to do the calculations (perhaps someone could explain). All I know is that more the merrier. :D

On another note, when did Nihlathak’s monster level change? After seeing lv. 92 on all the sites, I ran him again and he dropped a magical flamberge with an item level of lv. 95. Did they raise his level from the beta? :confused:
 

x trAviNs

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Definitely upgrade that beast. And if you're going to give it to your mercenary, I'd suggest an Amn to give him some life leech.
 

Nightfish

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Unless you don't need a merc weapon it's definetly worth upgrading. Careful though, level reqs might be hefty for the elite version.

The damage you can expect is this:

War Pike Base Damage: 33-178

ethereal adds 50% to the base damage so we get:

Ethereal War Pike Base Damage: 49.5 - 267

Your Weapon's Damage as War Pike is Base damage x 3.96: 196 - 1057

Impressive! :) (I hope I got the maths right :D )

Oh, and what travins says: Slap an Amn into it.
 

Sssith

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Impressive but the base item is very slow. Upgrade it to exceptional. Figure out the speed on it with the +40% AIS + SHAEL. If that has a resonable speed to take it to elite.
 

TekkaZeroX

Diabloii.Net Member
Thanks guys! :D I guess I will upgrade and socket it with an amn. Now I just got to find a fal rune for the beast. :eek: If I can get the runes for the upgrade to exceptional to elite, I will post its stats.

Upgraded to exceptional and socketed, its stats are:

Demon Skewer
Lance
'Amn'
Two-Hand Damage: 198 to 848
Durability: 18 of 25
Required Dexterity: **
Required Strength: 110
Required Level: 48
Spear Class - Fast Attack Speed
Item Version: 1.10 Expansion
Item Level: 95
Fingerprint: 0xbb9d240c
+396% Enhanced Damage
+237 to Attack Rating
Adds 1-4 cold damage over 3 seconds
7% Life stolen per hit
Required Level +5
40% Increased Attack Speed
Ethereal (Cannot be Repaired), Socketed (1: 1 used)


Sssith said:
Impressive but the base item is very slow. Upgrade it to exceptional. Figure out the speed on it with the +40% AIS + SHAEL. If that has a resonable speed to take it to elite.
You are right that it is slow, but using a speed calculator (Speed Calculator), I find that the benefits are probably not that great. With 40%, it has 3.3 strikes per second, with 54 speed the next break, it is only 3.5.I think an amn would be good, so my merc does not die.

EDIT: I always have a hel, if its turns out I need speed more. :)
 

wildjinn

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that is a hot weapon. :) You could also put it on a Jabazon w/some Titan's on switch for LF. Or you could make a lightningzon for massive lightning damage both throwing and striking. :p Or you could try fend, but that seems to be an unfortunate skill, still.
 

TekkaZeroX

Diabloii.Net Member
My brother has said he will do some countess runs to try to find a fal run with his lightning sorceress. He is not opmtistic, but I can still hope. If worst comes to worst, I will try to trade for one here... I just do not want a stupid duped fal (or even worse a shadowmaster rune) for an elite or some other valuable item. :grrr:

wildjinn said:
that is a hot weapon. :) You could also put it on a Jabazon w/some Titan's on switch for LF. Or you could make a lightningzon for massive lightning damage both throwing and striking. :p Or you could try fend, but that seems to be an unfortunate skill, still.
But it is ethereal! I do not have zods. :hanky:
 

DSZKilla_2327

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I made that pike on single player and up'd it to see what it does as a war pike. It should do exactly 243-1324 as a war pike.
 

Shade

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TekkaZeroX said:
Personally, I do not have a good enough grasp what enhance modifiers like enhance defense and enhance damage to do the calculations (perhaps someone could explain). All I know is that more the merrier. :D
The damage formula is pretty much the same as it's always been:

Final_damage = ((Base_Damage * (1+On_Weapon_ED)) + Added_Damage) * (1+All_Other_ED)

Roughly :)

TekkaZeroX said:
On another note, when did Nihlathak?s monster level change? After seeing lv. 92 on all the sites, I ran him again and he dropped a magical flamberge with an item level of lv. 95. Did they raise his level from the beta? :confused:
His base monster type (a Nihlathak, if you will) is level 92, but he's a Unique Nihlathak, so he's 92+3 = 95.

Shame he doesn't come with little Minion Nihlathaks, isn't it? :lol:

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Nightfish said:
Your Weapon's Damage as War Pike is Base damage x 3.96: 196 - 1057
Since it already does 100% damage to start with, you have to multiply by (ED/100) +1 ; this is corrected in the above formula (I never remember to write it in because I always just assume that it's there)
 

DreamlessDude

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I have an extra fal rune and i can be sure to send you one. Would personally love to see its damage upgraded. Pit seems to only drop me fal runes...

Gimme ur email addy
 

bladejj

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DSZKilla_2327 said:
I made that pike on single player and up'd it to see what it does as a war pike. It should do exactly 243-1324 as a war pike.
What do you mean you "made" it, did you create it through shadowmaster or some program like that?
 

TekkaZeroX

Diabloii.Net Member
I thank Shade and Nightfish for the help on what it might be when upgraded and how everything works generally. I think now I know how enhance defense and damage work. :thumbsup:

DreamlessDude said:
I have an extra fal rune and i can be sure to send you one. Would personally love to see its damage upgraded. Pit seems to only drop me fal runes...
That is a kind offer, but my twin brother wants to find the find the runes for me with his sorceress. After 100 runs the past day, he has found a mal and maybe an um (the cell phone was too scratchy when we last talked this evening). With that said, I feel optimistic that in a week or two, I can upgrade the war pike. Any rune above the more common rare runes like ko, we like to find for ourselves.

DSZKilla_2327 said:
I made that pike on single player and up'd it to see what it does as a war pike. It should do exactly 243-1324 as a war pike.
This is single player! :grrr:

..

After finding an editor that could allow you to do such a feat, I am really depressed now. :(
 
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