Is this it? What is the ultimate in-game point of Diablo 3?

[Valeli]

That's a good point, and I didn't know about it. My D2 experience was very different from most people having only played single player offline. I think that's colored my perception a bit differently.

 

[Ganoidyn]

*facepalm*

http://diablo2.diablowiki.net/images/thumb/3/3e/Party-menu1.jpg/225px-Party-menu1.jpg If you are on Hardcore there will also be a loot perm(issions) button beside each player. If you enable it that player can loot your stuff if you die. If you use the buddy system (and enable loot perms for each other) then unless you all die someone can recover the loot from the dead, and since you're friends they'll get it back. Between that, and the fact leveling is easy, and the fact D3 does not have any means of recovering items from a dead character and gear is still the main timesink D3 death, even after the paragon account wide thing is still more harsh than D2 death, which is what I said.

hahahaaha the facepalm should be your having to edit it after saying the opposite

 

[HardRock]

*facepalm*

Didn't I tell you that I wasn't well-versed in D2 terms?

Thanks for explaining it though.

 

[Sulle]

uhh a lot of pvp haters in here .Anyway Nailspike Josh Mosqueira actually said, that they were going to give us some pvp, but they just didn´t have the time to implement it, because all their focus was on getting the game out, so we´ll most likely see it in a patch later this year.

 

[Sulle]

What if I didn't want to PvP or trade?

Just because people want something out of the game that is not in the game doesn't mean the game failed, it just means that those people didn't get what they were looking for. It's not really a big deal.

If you accept that D3 is a game where you log on, kill some monsters, get some stuff, and then do it again later if you had a good time, then it's cool. I don't know why D3 has to be held to a higher standard than pretty much every other game.

So, what if I didn´t wanted a game, that didn´t have pvp? It´s not a question about if d3 failed or not, even if it doesn´t have the aspect that most people enjoyed in d2, but about an end game solution, because eventually we´ll get all our items, and we´ll make different builds and if there´s no challenge besides that then it´s only a matter of time before people start leaving the game again.

What happens when you have all your items and builds? Do you want to complete all your acheivements? lol. HC might be a solution, but most people don´t play that, and those of us who do, will still miss that extra challenge with people with something else that an AI.

In D2 many people farmed items just to theorycraft and pvp, which was the end game. You had a lot fun with your friends and the farming in itself, was not the reason, why we played diablo although it was fun with friends, but it was ultimately to get better items so you could improve your build in pvp. Why do you think D2 lasted this long in the first place?

 

[Nailspike]

So, what if I didn´t wanted a game, that didn´t have pvp? It´s not a question about if d3 failed or not, even if it doesn´t have the aspect that most people enjoyed in d2, but about an end game solution, because eventually we´ll get all our items, and we´ll make different builds and if there´s no challenge besides that then it´s only a matter of time before people start leaving the game again.

What happens when you have all your items and builds? Do you want to complete all your acheivements? lol. HC might be a solution, but most people don´t play that, and those of us who do, will still miss that extra challenge with people with something else that an AI.

In D2 many people farmed items just to theorycraft and pvp, which was the end game. You had a lot fun with your friends and the farming in itself, was not the reason, why we played diablo although it was fun with friends, but it was ultimately to get better items so you could improve your build in pvp. Why do you think D2 lasted this long in the first place?

Exactly. It is still amazing to me to this day that we actually have to sit here and defend reasons why the game should try and replicate the tenured success of its predecessor. We are talking about a game, Diablo 2, that had very possibly the best replay value of any PC game ever. That is something to try and emulate.


All I think the greater Diablo 3 community is requesting, respectfully, of Blizzard is that you follow through with the conversions to the greatness of what made Diablo 2 great. It is obvious you came to your senses and made the right choice by embracing the Diablo 2 community but it's also important that the embrace isn't only by removing the AH. Diablo 3 still lacks a lot of fluidity, as Sulle points out in the post above. The item hunt has to have a point (PvP, Ladder, Strong Sense of Community). Most of that is still lacking. But the good part is there's really no reason why it needs to be missing. None of that stuff would negatively impact game. PK is so easy to introduce and you don't need some complicated, horrible arena system either. Just give us out of town PK. Let there be a greater sense of community than seeing 3 other players in a game. Let us feel like we are actually playing an online game. Give us a lobby similiar to what bnet had in the 2000. I could at least see 20 other players in that Diablo 2 bnet lobby.


Think about it. No really. Do. We went from seeing 20+ odd players after every game in Diablo 2 to being reverted to a console-like single player screen. That's just not right. I feel like I'm on a system single player screen or something. Where are the other players? Where's the lobby from 2000?

 

[Sulle]

But I'm not playing the game for items or builds. Or achievements. Or for HC anything. Items are kinda fun in the lizard brain moar stuff way, but I don't really care about the phattest lewts or whatever. It's just fun to kill monsters for an hour or so when I have some free time.

Sorry, I didn´t see it from your perspective. Some of us have too much spare time lol, because all I do atm is play games and work out in a gym. I am 33 years old(majored in philosophy), and I still don´t know what I want to do with my life, but I think a lot of people from my generation are in the same boat as me.

Anyway, now that we´ll have BOA legendary items and we aren´t forced to use the AH for upgrades, I am pretty sure you´ll be able to get some nice items for whatever class you play. The socalled smart drops will tailor the drops from what skills you use, or at least that´s what I have seen and have the impression of. So, if you use pets a lot on your wd, then you´ll have a higher chance to get pet related legendaries ect.

 

[Steven Hazani]

^ True. It isn't just the correct prime stat, the game is smart enough to recognize your facetanker wants melee range procs and a Rogar's and that you've been using elemental arrow so here, have an "Elemental Arrow is now a generator" bow.

 

[Steven Hazani]

hahahaaha the facepalm should be your having to edit it after saying the opposite

Hm? Edit, what edit? We deal in revisionist history in these parts son!

As for D2, since we're on the subject of social things being able to actually watch your friend's back in HC certainly helped. If you play D3 with someone and they lag out in ground spam, and you can't either kill the elite super fast, get it off them (hard to do with almost no taunts), or do the globe dance (harder, because globes drop less) they're dead. Compare with D2 where things died faster. enemies generally just attacked whoever was closest (making the get the mobs off part easy), and yeah there was no way of healing other players unless you were one specific build but that also wasn't necessary. And if they do die you can at least rescue their equipped gear, so you can still do something for them.

 

[krischan]

How long does Blizzard seriously think that will work

As long as they can sell D3 copies... bnet is free to play. I think they don't expect it to be such a long-term success as D2, so as soon as they cannot get enough copies sold to pay the bnet bills, it will be in their interest to let the game die, at least on bnet. They cannot simply shut down the servers, so people will have to decide to leave on their own behalf and without bearing a grudge.

If they they release a patch which allows playing without bnet when that time has come, I'm probably not going to blame them for that.

 

[HardRock]

^ True. It isn't just the correct prime stat, the game is smart enough to recognize your facetanker wants melee range procs and a Rogar's and that you've been using elemental arrow so here, have an "Elemental Arrow is now a generator" bow.

How do I have to play to get my class Set to drop?

 

[Steven Hazani]

Which class set? Most of them are far too specific than they really should be as a generic set. My guess would be use whatever obscure skill it focuses on? Good luck with that though as those aren't build enabling items, they're build unlocking items. In other words, those skills suck horribly without the specific items that make them usable.

 

[HardRock]

My question was kind of a joke, because I haven't seen any evidence proving that the game actually cares about which skills we use.

I also disagree with you about Rain of Vengeance, Fetish Army and Call of the Ancients. We rarely need to maximize our DPS all the time, and these skills give huge boosts when we need them: against Elites and Bosses.

 

[darkrealm]

The lack of PvP has hurt the game IMO, but I do believe it will come. Until then it's all about the drops for me.

The flip side to this is, if you do not enjoy the item hunt, this game is probably not for you. I personally enjoy the item hunt and challenging myself to try harder versions of the content. I miss rune words. Those were just really cool...minus the duping..of course. lol