Is an effective FoH Auradin even possible? Some Q's

[fwing]

Is an effective FoH Auradin even possible? Some Q's

Hey all. I obtained a 3 FoH 3 Conv 1 Holy Shock 25/25 x5 lite die facted (all same color too!) FoH stick through trading and it inspired me to make a new pvp char. I have read about a dozen guides and what is consistent is that FoH-ers are weak vs minion stackers. Auradins seem to take care of minions, however I do like FoH as an attack and well.... i have the wep to make one. Basically I'm looking to make a FoH-er that can take out minions (ie relatively little-no weaknesses). I have same questions if you can help:

1. Is using dragon/dream effective due to the relatively low lvls (compared to hard points + synergies) or does the conv aura you would use as a FoH-er (-150 resists) make them both effective?

2. Is there a point to having more than one dream or more than one dragon the same player? Do the auras stack at all? I'm guessing no, but I have come across some guides that recommend using more than one (ie helm and shield, or shield and armor).

3. Griffs vs... other helms: Some guides swear by griffs, others say other helms are better. I would be thinking an um'ed kiras (great resists when you need them, great def mods) or a something'd shako. What do you think?

4. Would it be better just to put hard points in either holy fire or holy shock and one of their respective synergies and switch to that aura vs minions while keeping conviction/FoH for non-minion players? This would free up all of my gear (from having to use dreams and dragons) but I really do like the idea of constantly damaging an opponent all the time with FoH always ready. What do you think?


Thanks so much!

 

[sweetalmonds]

Re: Is an effective FoH Auradin even possible? Some Q's

It's a build called daydreamer but that's not the weapon they use, it has to be a 3/3 4os caduceus made into HOJ so holy fire damage will be adequate for dueling and a bit of physical damage as well. Maxed holy fire's synergies and not the skill, you need to have conviction on. Using griffon is ok for foh damage but use CoA for dr/res/fhr is a better choice, with duel dragons your only source of dr is helm and belt. Aura's do stack when they're granted from multiple items on you.

 

[fwing]

Re: Is an effective FoH Auradin even possible? Some Q's

holy, that HoJ must be GG.. never ever heard of that. so would it be something like that GG HoJ, Dragon plate, Dragon shield for x3 holy fire auras with conviction on?

I also heard auras DON'T stack, but it's just the highest one takes over?

 

[tavman]

Re: Is an effective FoH Auradin even possible? Some Q's

no. auras do stack.

 

[lumpor]

Re: Is an effective FoH Auradin even possible? Some Q's

It depends on the source. If the auras are the same type, and all auras are from items only, and on the same character, they stack. Otherwise the highest one takes over

 

[fwing]

Re: Is an effective FoH Auradin even possible? Some Q's

SWEET. Wow... this seems like an insane build then.

Looking like..
HoJ FoH Stick
Dragon AP
Dragon Shield
xx helm (I would most def use kiras because there's no resists anywhere else)
x2 soj or bk
arach
tri resist gauntlets or bf
xx boots

But wait... i just look at arreat's and holy fire seems weak as balls. @ lvl 14 a max synergied holy fire will only do 57.6-76.8 dmg? I'm assuming my opponent is going to stack vs my -150 conv and i'll put them at 9 resists. with the 1/6 pvp i'm doing around 12 dmg. + 12 dmg from another dragon, plus, say 20 from hoj. so i'm only hitting them with 44 fire damage? isn't that really weak for all the gear? alternately, a lvl 15 holy shock will do avg 1-108 dmg (i'll take avg of 54) plus max synergies @ 0 resist 1/6 pvp = 28 dmg per second. Add a FoH stick +25% light dmg and it gets to 31 dmg with -25% more light dmg, bringing it to -175 light total. IF i were to use a pgriffs taht brings it to -200 light resists. vs a wiz spiked, um'ed kiras avg 30 res from torch/anni caster i would manage to bring them to 5 light resistance.

sorry, this is all jumbled. but it is starting to sound like dream is better?

 

[lumpor]

Re: Is an effective FoH Auradin even possible? Some Q's

Yes. Dual dreams are much more popular. Holy shock does much more damage than holy fire

 

[sweetalmonds]

Re: Is an effective FoH Auradin even possible? Some Q's

But the reason for holy fire is cast foh for lightning damage and charge with h.fire is fire damage so it's hard to sorb you fully. Holy fire can come from three items while holy shock only has two item so that makes the difference a little less although h.shock still adds a bit more.

 

[Chase]

Re: Is an effective FoH Auradin even possible? Some Q's

With your current weapon you could just wear two dreams and max FoH, conv, res lightning, and holy shock (only as an foh synergy).

All the -res obtained from your conv and light facets through out your armor is bound to break people into pieces.

The common form using Hoj and 2x dragon for a lvl 44 fire aura and foh and conv.

 

[fwing]

Re: Is an effective FoH Auradin even possible? Some Q's

With your current weapon you could just wear two dreams and max FoH, conv, res lightning, and holy shock (only as an foh synergy).

All the -res obtained from your conv and light facets through out your armor is bound to break people into pieces.

The common form using Hoj and 2x dragon for a lvl 44 fire aura and foh and conv.

what kind of armor are you recommending here? 20/20 armor? i probably wouldn't go this route as CoH offers way more defensive (also +2 skill) benefits.

alright been doing some calculations, some gear ideas and reading these posts. so it seems like there are two routes, both with pros and cons: 1. dual dream foh stick, 2. dual dragon hoj foh stick.

1. dual dream
+ more damage
+ -25 light resistances from foh stick making -150 resistances total
+ +25 light damage from foh stick (this benefits foh AND holy shock right?)
+ frees up armor slot
- I assuming enemy is going to be stacked for hardest scenario, taking of 75% 1/4 of your lightning damage (correct calculation, right?)
- single elemental skill damage

2. dual dragon
+ free up helm slot (kiras, griffs, shako, w/e)
+ dual elemental damage (foh, holy fire)
+ much better min damage
- not as much max damage as holy shock
- don't benefit from the +25/-25 of the foh stick (though could compensate with a 5/5 in a perf griffs)

So we're looking at a level 30 holy shock aura Lightning damage: 1 - 1482 @ level 30 max synergied, 1/6 pvp 1/4 for max resistances and more likely to be sorb'ed or a level 44 holy fire Fire damage 536 - 548, 1/6 pvp 1/4 max resist (assuming max resistances again), less likely to be sorbed. i still don't know if % lightning works for holy shock, but if it does it would be 1-1852 light damage going through those same calculations.

the damage, on average, is greater with holy shock though holy fire will at least be consistent. in my experience, stacked resist people will have all resistances stacked, but it is really the SORB that will more difficult with the dual dragon build. it's a tough call.


abandoning the whole idea for one second, would a one handed doom, and dual dream OR dual dragon combination be effective? you'd have holy freeze, dual holy shock or dual holy fire (level 30 and 28, respectively) and conviction on. the absence of a foh stick will make u lose 3 to foh and 3 to holy shock, plus the 25/-25; the absence of a hoj will take away 16 level of holy fire and 3/3. what do you think?

i'm really just brainstorming but i'm enjoying this discussion. please entertain me!