Infinity and Cold mastery. Which is applied first?

Yossarian

Diabloii.Net Member
Infinity and Cold mastery. Which is applied first?

CM will lower an enenmies res to 0% and conviction will lower a monsters res as much as it can. But if conviction is applied first CM is totally worthless. I can't imagine that is the case (but immnuites make me question that) so tomorrow when I equip my Infinity on my merc can I look forward to monsters all having -85 res?
 

FrostBurn

Diabloii.Net Member
Ok, this is how it works. Only Lower Resist and Conviction can break enemy elemental resistances. LR lowers (or breaks, but when breaking, is reduced to 1/5 effectiveness) all elemental resistances, whereas Conviction lowers (or breaks, again at 1/5 effectiveness) only fire, cold and lightning. So when facing immunes, the Conviction on your Infinity will work at -85/5 = -17 at breaking elemental immunes.

CM cannot break CIs. However, if the CI is broken by either LR, Conviction, or both working together (if working together, add the two values and divide by 5), then CM comes into play. In other words, break first, and if successfully broken, CM is applied to whatever the value of - enemy cold resistance you currently have. CM has a cap of lowering to -100% enemy cold resistance, which is why slvl 17 CM (-100%) is the optimal target for 0% cold resistance monsters.

Note that the majority of CI monsters have over-stacked cold resistance, so even a combo of LR and Conviction cannot break them. And if they remain CI, then CM is worthless against them. Also note that the -100% to enemy resistances cap applies across the board, regardless of whether you are using LR or Conviction.
 

PhuQ

Diabloii.Net Member
FrostBurn said:
Ok, this is how it works. Only Lower Resist and Conviction can break enemy elemental resistances. LR lowers (or breaks, but when breaking, is reduced to 1/5 effectiveness) all elemental resistances, whereas Conviction lowers (or breaks, again at 1/5 effectiveness) only fire, cold and lightning. So when facing immunes, the Conviction on your Infinity will work at -85/5 = -17 at breaking elemental immunes.

CM cannot break CIs. However, if the CI is broken by either LR, Conviction, or both working together (if working together, add the two values and divide by 5), then CM comes into play. In other words, break first, and if successfully broken, CM is applied to whatever the value of - enemy cold resistance you currently have. CM has a cap of lowering to -100% enemy cold resistance, which is why slvl 17 CM (-100%) is the optimal target for 0% cold resistance monsters.

Note that the majority of CI monsters have over-stacked cold resistance, so even a combo of LR and Conviction cannot break them. And if they remain CI, then CM is worthless against them. Also note that the -100% to enemy resistances cap applies across the board, regardless of whether you are using LR or Conviction.

I guess this answer should be stickied since I´m getting bored reading same topics over and over (asking whether infi works good with cold sorks and so)
 

MageChick

Diabloii.Net Member
This is a pretty common question (and the answer is always the same.) Where would you look to find it stickied though? Other than indicating it in the various builds I don't know where people would ever go to look it up. It's one of those all purpose dii questions.
 

MeGs

Diabloii.Net Member
Cold immumes in hell got like 200 resist when there immume to your magic... it sux
 

nNemethon

Diabloii.Net Member
Another common question is after conviction and CM, does nightwing and fathom and even cold facets for that matter help to stack to drop to max capped -res? Hope so. :)

nNem
 

melianor

D3 Wizard Moderator
nNemethon said:
Another common question is after conviction and CM, does nightwing and fathom and even cold facets for that matter help to stack to drop to max capped -res? Hope so. :)

nNem
The -xx% resistances that you find are calculated with any resistances reduction that you have from skills, like cold mastery.

+xx% fire/lightning/cold damage is just added upon like fire mastery or lightning mastery into the calculation.

So as soon as there are no immunities those work just as fine as fine.
 

nNemethon

Diabloii.Net Member
Ty Melianor. Clears a few things up. I thought that was the case, but in this game, you can never be too sure lol.

nNem
 
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