In response to your MLD Assasin Matt... I had this thing all ready just as the forums crashed, so here it is. When I read the title and the author of the thread I expect to see a Kicksin build.... Wake of Fire is rather craptastic, and I'm pretty sure Mind Blast got a bit of a nerf in PvP for 1.10. Also, Tuc's were lvl 42 last time I checked, so at lvl 50 we're talking Cruels. Even so, melee Sins aren't what they used to be ever since Claw Mastery was fixed. I don't know if anyone's planned out a mid-lvl Kicksin, but lemme try to pull one outta my arse here (get your minds out of the gutter)... bear with me: Lvl 47 (for Gore Riders? maybe 50 for Cat's Eye) 20 DTalon 1 Dragon Flight 1 Blade Fury a bunch into Claw Block and BoS (I'm too lazy to look up BP's too) then either: max Venom for lvl (18 if lvl 47, 20 if lvl 50) or max Shadow Master for lvl (same) I'd think Venom would be the best route so you could throw around Ninja Stars doing tons of poison and respectable Crushing Blow, then DF on top of them and finish the job with DTalon. Now I'm sure some of you will say mass poison is bad-mannered; I don't see why it should be, I mean it's a non-bugged Assasin skill. Are any other skills considered bad-mannered? ... but anyway, for gear: Guillaume's Face +3 Martial Arts, Mahim-Oak or Cat's Eye, depending on lvl I guess Dual Tucs Shaft for phys dmg opponents, Lionheart for all others IK Gauntlets Dual Ravenfrosts String for phys dmg opponents, TGod's for all others Gore Riders Pretty similar to your setup for the most part. You might just pump vit to a comfortable amount, say 1200-ish life, then pump str for extra dmg. Never tried it out though, maybe the extra dmg is too small to be worth it. You should also be able to get a few Martial Arts charms since they're in pretty low demand nowadays. P.S. - What lvl are upgraded Gore Riders?