IMO why in the right context buying from Ebay isn't necessarily bad. One of the most controversial and touchy subjects on Diablo 2 Battle.Net is about buying virtual items from Ebay. In fact this is the subject matter that attracted me the most before I decided joining this RPG forum. Why? Because I have done my own share of buying and selling on Ebay on a per-need basis but before you flame me please read the rest of this post. I have just finished reading another thread that was started today regarding â€œNewbiesâ€ and somewhere in the thread someone mentioned that Ebay is legit. It didnâ€™t take long before the poster got flamed by other forum members. This post is not to defend that person who said that Ebay is legit. This post is about why I personally think that not all buying and selling from Ebay is bad. I started a thread last week about â€œIf Buying on Ebay is the reason why there are dupersâ€ and the impression I got is that dupers and cheaters will exist even with or without Ebay. So it seems like (from the perspective of those who responded to that thread) there will be cheaters anyway even if Ebay did not exist. So even from that thread we know that Ebay isnâ€™t the chief cause of cheating in the closed realms. This is what I personally think about what constitutes cheating, and why under the right circumstances there is nothing wrong with buying virtual items from Ebay. Cheating constitutes: 1. Anything that tampers with the code: E.g. maphack, pick-it, trade-hack, etc. etc. Anything that gets you ahead of the other players because you are using an â€œalienâ€ tool to your advantage. (Some of you may contest that Ebay is an alien tool. However, when you buy from Ebay you do not tamper with game code.) 2. Using bugged items. This is another form of tampering with game code, hence it is cheating. (Using duped items? This would be on a separate thread altogether. Why? Who can honestly tell a duped non-bugged item from a non-duped non-bugged item until it vanishes?) 3. Scamming anybody using whatever method for whatever reason. This includes no payback when you promised your forge for a rush. 4. PKing low levels to steal their gold. You need to kill other people to get gold? Shame on you. 5. Stealing somebodyâ€™s account via cracking their password. This is the worst of them all. Ebay (bad) 1. When you steal somebodyâ€™s credit card information (like your sisterâ€™s VISA) so you can buy stuff from Ebay. 2. When you are a Ebay scammer out to steal peopleâ€™s money and items. 3. When you use Ebay to further enhance whatever cheating methods you already have. 4. When you use Ebay to sell items found via Pindlebots or acquired through Pick-It. 5. When you use Ebay to take advantage of buying low and selling high on the trade channel. E.g. Buy a duped Zod for five bucks, trade the Zod in the channel for Tal Set + IK Set + Trang Set and then sell the stuff for $15 and buy yourself 3 more Zods to do the same exact thing. Ebay (good) 1. When you work for your money and you have some extra cash to spend on Diablo items. This is from the premise that for some people time>money hence they would rather spend some money for items that will add fun to their game play and not spend countless hours to MF or trade for an item they may never find or get. 2. When you sell legit items to make a few extra bucks from items you found by you doing MF runs you did (not pindle bot) and buy yourself an item you need or use the money IRL. 3. When you sell items for your poor friends who have no Ebay account and use the money you make to buy them items they will take a very long time to get. (this I have done several times and I have made many of my poor friends happy when they finally got the item that completed a character they are building. E.g. I sold my friendâ€™s mule account of exceptional items for $10 and bought him a low % HOTO. His hammerdin is now complete and he is very happy. Note that none of the items in the mule account, even all of the items combined could get him a HOTO). This is a subject I was hoping to veer away from but I need to hear your thoughts on why some of you think all Diablo 2 players who buy and/or sell from Ebay are outright cheaters. Flame me if you must but be detailed and verbose in your explanation. Donâ€™t be silly and just say: â€œOMFG, you are a cheater because you buy from Ebay and you encourage others to cheat. F****N nOObâ€ This is not the kind of response I want to read. And if you agree with me you could add what you think I may have left out or forgotten.