IK for Concentrate? Berserk?

[skygoneblue]

IK for Concentrate? Berserk?

One of my buddies and I are just building IK barbs for the fun of it. He has persued the WW route, and I want to either go with Concentrate or Berserk. I was just wondering if anyone had any experiences or recommendations that they could share regarding which they think is better, etc.

This will mainly just be for PvM, so I don't need godly gear or anything. IK, Highlords, Ravenfrost, and BK will be plenty for me to get by (I hope!). I have read the guides, but they don't address IK much. I also couldn't get anything to come up when I searched, so sorry if this has been brought up before.

Thanks for any responses (unless they suck)!!

 

[[exile]]

Conc and Berserk will give you some pretty tough speed problems, even with ShaelShael Maul. So unless you don't mind slow attack... or maybe if you planned on using Warcry a bit here and there... I wouldn't suggest it.

 

[chaca]

You should check out Cold's IK guide in the Barb stickied thread. Near the bottom Hal had this to say:

Quote:
i would suggest a little variety. there are 3 types of barbs you can make: ww, zerk, conc, or a hybrid of two/three of these.

some possible suggestions:
10 ww
20 conc
20 shout
20 bo
20 mastery
10 pre-reqs and support skills

10 ww
10 zerk
20 shout
20 bo
20 mastery
1-10 howl
1-10 war cry

ww is not that great to max as it takes a huge damage penalty, so even though it _says_ +100% damage, you are actually getting 100% of 3/4 of the wep damage. it doesn't seem to make much of a difference whether you have 10, 15, or 20 points in it.
Endquote:

Personally my barb is straight WW and he does awesome. With the 3 anya quests his res is maxed in hell and he has loads of life. There basically is nothing that IKs can't kill between WW the elemental damage on the mall or by using berzerk. those stygian dolls are about the only thing that makes him run.

Mana stealers can give you a problem since you won't be able to WW out of the pack. Anyway, hope you have fun, my IK is one of my most enjoyable characters.

 

[rikstaker]

You should check out Cold's IK guide in the Barb stickied thread. Near the bottom Hal had this to say:

Quote:
i would suggest a little variety. there are 3 types of barbs you can make: ww, zerk, conc, or a hybrid of two/three of these.

some possible suggestions:
10 ww
20 conc
20 shout
20 bo
20 mastery
10 pre-reqs and support skills

10 ww
10 zerk
20 shout
20 bo
20 mastery
1-10 howl
1-10 war cry

ww is not that great to max as it takes a huge damage penalty, so even though it _says_ +100% damage, you are actually getting 100% of 3/4 of the wep damage. it doesn't seem to make much of a difference whether you have 10, 15, or 20 points in it.
Endquote:

That was superhal & he is a noobleman ,what he said about about 3/4th dmg is fantasy,there is no such thing & gui did point that out further down.The real Hal(shirtless mod) & myself,are waging a war against hybrid barbs.

Search around,& you will find many posts by him & me on the various/endless reasons why pure/synergized builds are better than spread out hybrids.

For ww;bo synergizes conc,shout synergizes zerk:both at base are enough to deal with unleechables & physical immunes respectively.

For conc:High damage,already synergized by bo,shout synergizes zerk enough for PIs at base.

For zerk;High damage,synergized by shout-use warcry,1 conc & ww enough for leech.

& J-clone is right,ikmaul is slow for conc/zerk,but the maul is fast enough for ww since it is lwbp capable with 30% more wias & the set does work best with ww.Follow colds guide & you are set.

Razgriz

 

[skygoneblue]

Sweet - thanks for the replies guys! I did look in the sticky but somehow totally missed that guide. I checked out the speed calc too - IK Maul is really slow. I suppose even with 40 on the maul, plus two Shaels, 25 on the gloves, and a highlords, I am still only swinging at like 12-13 frames - pretty crappy.

Ah well, looks like it's another WW barb!

 

[Halciet]

The real Hal(shirtless mod) & myself,are waging a war against hybrid barbs.

Agreed; hybridization is a very inefficient way to build a barbarian. Keep holding the front, soldier!

*salute*

-Hal

 

[AdunaCCDanimoth]

Leap Attack.... :whistle:

 

[chaca]

That was superhal & he is a noobleman ,what he said about about 3/4th dmg is fantasy,there is no such thing & gui did point that out further down.The real Hal(shirtless mod) & myself,are waging a war against hybrid barbs.

Search around,& you will find many posts by him & me on the various/endless reasons why pure/synergized builds are better than spread out hybrids.

For ww;bo synergizes conc,shout synergizes zerk:both at base are enough to deal with unleechables & physical immunes respectively.

For conc:High damage,already synergized by bo,shout synergizes zerk enough for PIs at base.

For zerk;High damage,synergized by shout-use warcry,1 conc & ww enough for leech.

& J-clone is right,ikmaul is slow for conc/zerk,but the maul is fast enough for ww since it is lwbp capable with 30% more wias & the set does work best with ww.Follow colds guide & you are set.

Razgriz

Thanks razgriz, I've been away from the forums for a while and didn't realize that wasn't the true Hal.