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IAS on Grief PB

Discussion in 'Theorycrafting and Statistics' started by smeer, Sep 28, 2006.

  1. smeer

    smeer IncGamers Member

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    IAS on Grief PB

    Now I always thought that IAS on a Grief PB is not important. Even if you've got 30IAS, you can easily reach the last bp with smit and zeal.
    If you have a greif with 30 IAS, you reach the last bp with smit when you have a lvl 2 fanatism, and for zeal you need a lvl 4 fana.
    Also a ww barb will reach the last bp with 30IAS on a PB

    So for a Grief PB the +damage is the only important variable.
    Now why then is a grief 40/400 much much more valuable then a grief 30/400?
     
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    Eilo Rytyj IncGamers Member

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    probably because most of bnet is uneducated on this fact, and ignorant of it too.

    alas, a 40/xxx WOULD be more useful if you're not a character that uses Fanaticism or WW, such as a conviction-based melee pally perhaps.

    Or, there are occasions where using another aura is a must (e.g. salvation vs. uber meph), the extra IAS might make a difference.
     
  3. smeer

    smeer IncGamers Member

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    Yes, but conviction is mostly used in combi with Vengeance and the +damage from grief does not work in combi with Vengeance. Most Vengeance/conviction palys use eBotD.

    Negating the conviction aura of uber meph isn't really necessary to if you've got enough CB, stacked resist and lifetap...
     
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    Dreamadins may use conviction aura and zeal. Frostzealots, well, use holy freeze when zeal.

    Combination of auras and attack skills are not gravened on stone.
     
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    smeer IncGamers Member

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    Yes of course thats true, but when using zeal/dream/conviction or zeal/HF you won't reach the final bp with 30 or 40 IAS. 72 IAS is needed. So also on these characters a grief 30IAS PB (hmmm maybe a grief 32IAS PB) would be as good as a 40 PB.

    So I think in most situations there is no difference between a grief 30IAS PB or a 40IAS one and the only thing that really matters is the +damage modifier.

    Or am I wrong here?
     
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    32 ias and 42 ias away from BP, are quite far apart. Highlords and 20 ias gloves give you 40 ias leaving a 42 ias guy out of luck unless he looks to his belt.

    But I think your basic point still stands. Outside of a few case specific builds it makes no difference at all.

    Did I mention that I just made a 36/400 today and started an auction for it on west trade?
     
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    As Yossarian said.... with a 30 ias Grief you need 42 ias from other gear to reach 72 bp, VS needing 32 ias from other gear when holding a 40 ias Grief.

    You are right that for MOST situations there's no difference but as long as there's a difference in SOME cases the price should be different dont you think so ? :girly:
     
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    helvete IncGamers Member

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    Well, IAS comes in 5% increments on gear, so the "breakpoints" for a grief PB would be 32 and 37. I've seen a LOT of people asking for 37+ in trade threads.
     
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    smeer IncGamers Member

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    Yeb I think the price should be different, but the difference should in my opinion be minor. What you often see (at least I do) is that the price is doubled (where the damage is the same). So a grief 30/400 will cost half the price of a 40/400. Thats not a minor difference....
    Oh well enough said about this toppic, since most people agree that for most builts it doesn't make a difference what IAS the grief PB has.
     
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    I think that build that this matters most for is one like mine. I uber with my hammerdin. By default you get 1 point in smite, and that's enough. I don't have fanat at all, but just using his normal conviction is plenty. You need a 40 IAS grief to really make effective and not have to swap out everything. Then for ubering its just a weapon switch to go from 75% FCR hammers to a 65% IAS smite. Hammers clear out the minions and smite for the ubers themselves, pretty effective - and a lot of people already have a hammerdin.

    Hammer only mode gear
    Hoto
    Spirit (35%)
    Shako
    Enigma
    Magefists
    Arach
    War Trav's
    10% FCR ring (with life, str and 11% resist all)
    SOJ/Nagel/Ravenfrost/Nature's Peace depending on what I'm running
    Mara's
    CTA/Spirit on switch
    ______
    125% FCR = breakpoint

    Smiting /Hammer gear
    Hoto
    Spirit (35%) - so I can still hammer at 75% FCR
    Grief (40%)
    Spirit
    Guilliams (socketed 15% IAS)
    Fortitude/CoH - I've used both, just depends what other char's gear I borrow.
    Nosferatu
    Drac's
    Goreriders
    Ravenfrost
    Resist + life + str ring
    Mara's
    _______
    65% IAS Smite or 75% FCR Hammers on switch

    Keep the concentration active the whole time, except sometimes I'll use salvation against meph. I can safely switch off the conc and not loose any IAS.

    This is not the best uber killer by far, but its handy and uses a build I already had lying around. The problem is that it requires both a perfect 40% IAS grief and a perfect 35% FCR spirit. So yeah, its probably people like me driving up the prices on the 40% IAS ones.
     
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    Ah yes this is indeed a verry well known and commonly used built where the 40 IAS is usefull...didnot think of this...thanks
     

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