I never thought of this. Seems great, opinions?

[The Son Of Disaster]

I never thought of this. Seems great, opinions?

After much thought, and forum reading here :grin: I got an idea from a Commandomancer guide. My one problem I was having was Mana. I couldn't fit Insight anywhere in the build, Infinity is too useful to me. So I decided I was going to incorporate Mana Leech onto my rare FCR ring and do Bear attacks with Beast. So I started reading a Commandomancer guide. I got a really great idea (I think) from it.

Faith Blade Bow (or similar)!

Higher level Fanaticism means better minions
+2 skills makes up for the 2 skills on the shield I'm no longer carrying.
+120 Fire damage is aided by the Infinity.
Ignores target defense, naturally I'll have no AR this way I can still leech.
10% to Reanimate: More Minions!!
Ranged to attack safely with about same damage of attack.
Provides a creative way to cure boredom while the minions do the slaughtering!

My questions:
1. Does anyone see any obvious flaws here that I'm missing?

2. If I use a skill while wielding Faith, CE for example, and the skill kills enemys, does the 10% chance to Reanimate take effect? or does this only apply to attacks made by the weapon like leech, etc would?

3. These "returned" that Faith reanimates are "skeletons" this does not imply that they benefit from skeleton mastery does it? do they have theyre own minion calculator?

I haven't seen much talk of this use of Faith but it seems very solid so maybe I'm missing something. Or maybe I'm a genius.:afro:

 

[Pasky]

Re: I never thought of this. Seems great, opinions?

The re-animate on faith does not work like a revive, it's a very stupid monster that does not follow you but attacks the nearest thing, if there is nothing to attack it simply wanders around until you leave it.

 

[The Son Of Disaster]

Re: I never thought of this. Seems great, opinions?

I literally lolled at that. That's dissappointing but none-the-less I like Faith more than Beast with a shield even. I'll have a AoKL/Homun on switch for quality minions.

 

[canudig]

Re: I never thought of this. Seems great, opinions?

it's just that most use faith on an a1 merc......what gloves are you wearing? something like frostburns or magefists could help with your mana problems

 

[The Son Of Disaster]

Re: I never thought of this. Seems great, opinions?

Well this lets me maintain Might/Conviction from my A2 Merc. I use Trangs Gloves. I'm not using this solely for the leech. But Since I would be wearing this or a beast I figured I could get leech on a ring I would already be wearing to help

 

[Ax2Grind]

Re: I never thought of this. Seems great, opinions?

Returned re-animates act like golems from Diablo, if you remember how they worked. You do have some ability to encourage their movement, but they're otherwise like converted monsters. My Trinitar design for Paladins has a gear change to tackle this concept (Tomb Reaver/Delirium/Faith or Harmony and Conversion/Thorns/open wounds/poison/flee).

 

[The Son Of Disaster]

Re: I never thought of this. Seems great, opinions?

I think the Returned are pretty well gimped for this. I never played original Diablo. I just like the safer attack and higher fanaticism.

I have an IG question now.
Does the synergy form Fire Golem get added before things like might? or simultaneously?

If I had a Weapon with say 1000 Maximum damage, Level 15 Fanaticism, and Level 22 Might with a level 20 Fire Golem Skill
would it be:
[ 1000 + (1000 * 1.2) ] + [ 1000 + (1000 * 1.2 ) ] * 3.22 =
[ 1000 * 2.2 ] * 4.22 = 9284 Iron Golem attack damage?
1.2 = 120% from FG
3.22 = Fanat (144/2 = 72%) + Might (250)
1000 Base weapon max damage

Is this correct?

 

[Ax2Grind]

Re: I never thought of this. Seems great, opinions?

IIRC, an item's mods are added to Iron Golem's abilities, so an IG's base, the damage of which is enhanced by Fire Golem's synergy, is used by the mods on the item instead of the item's base. Making a IG out of an ethereal armor would enhance the IG's base defense by 50%, but wouldn't otherwise take the properties of the item. You'd actually have to come up with that theoretical item in its completeness to figure out what the actual damage would be.

 

[canudig]

Re: I never thought of this. Seems great, opinions?

also higher fanatacism won't help too much with damage I believe......main reason why players want a higher fanaticism is for the faster attack speed and using a bow would give you no blocking, while a zon has the passive skills to help make up for it

 

[The Son Of Disaster]

Re: I never thought of this. Seems great, opinions?

Well going from level 9-15 increases the party damage by 46% which is about ~400+ per Skeleton warrior. This way I don't have to keep shifting back and forth between a bear to cast, but can still use a weapon attack for leech.
! guess I forgot to put that significant bit in. I need one or the other cause there is no way to incorporate "Insight" without big sacrifices.

 

[Mad Mantis]

Re: I never thought of this. Seems great, opinions?

If I had a Weapon with say 1000 Maximum damage, Level 15 Fanaticism, and Level 22 Might with a level 20 Fire Golem Skill

Assuming that the IG does no damage of his own and the only things affecting his damage are listed here you would be looking at:

120% + 72% + 250% = 442% = 5.42
1000 * 5.42 = 5420 damage.

 

[The Son Of Disaster]

Re: I never thought of this. Seems great, opinions?

Thanks Mad, cleared that up alot for me

I think I've got everything set in stone except mages or not (as usual) lol but will see. Thanks everyone.

 

[canudig]

Re: I never thought of this. Seems great, opinions?

you might want to tinker around with this a bit....http://tph.tuwien.ac.at/~gottwald/necro_pet_calculator.html


From that I plugged in lvl 40 RS, lvl 40 SM and assuming a perfect faith roll you still only got ~100 damage more......

 

[Leetus]

Re: I never thought of this. Seems great, opinions?

So I decided I was going to incorporate Mana Leech onto my rare FCR ring and do Bear attacks with Beast. So I started reading a Commandomancer guide. I got a really great idea (I think) from it.

Faith Blade Bow (or similar)!

Higher level Fanaticism means better minions
+2 skills makes up for the 2 skills on the shield I'm no longer carrying.
+120 Fire damage is aided by the Infinity.
Ignores target defense, naturally I'll have no AR this way I can still leech.
10% to Reanimate: More Minions!!
Ranged to attack safely with about same damage of attack.
Provides a creative way to cure boredom while the minions do the slaughtering!

can u be clear as to whether you would be using beast or faith or both ? or aokl ?

 

[Ax2Grind]

Re: I never thought of this. Seems great, opinions?

I hope that calculator is in the link guides somewhere. Though it doesn't go into detail about the Iron Golem abilities (which is what I was worried about not achieving the damage expected), it's pretty nice to have around. Wonder if it has a back-up host just in case it disappears one day (hint, hint).

 

[canudig]

Re: I never thought of this. Seems great, opinions?

I hope that calculator is in the link guides somewhere. Though it doesn't go into detail about the Iron Golem abilities (which is what I was worried about not achieving the damage expected), it's pretty nice to have around. Wonder if it has a back-up host just in case it disappears one day (hint, hint).

are you talking about the one I linked two posts up? found that one in statistics forum I think......

 

[The Son Of Disaster]

Re: I never thought of this. Seems great, opinions?

@ Leetus, changed my mind from originally using a Beast to now using the Faith with a CTA on switch.

You're right about the calculator, still 100 dmg per skel is solid. None the less this leads me to believe the multipliers apply to the base skel damage before skel mastery even has touched them.

So are the hit points and DPs on the calc cululative for all the skeletons? Because 10k seems to be a bit much hit points. but 1800 damage is probably about right for single skele attacks. and then 28k per second? Any clarification would be good this threw me off last time I used the calc too.

 

[canudig]

Re: I never thought of this. Seems great, opinions?

actually 100 isn't alot, even with amp dam that's only 200 extra......is that worth not having the extra bonuses granted by a shield? Just something to think about :wink3:

 

[The Son Of Disaster]

Re: I never thought of this. Seems great, opinions?

I'm just drawn to the uniqueness of it. I've never seen a necromancer with a bow and arrows before. The fact that this bow has Fanaticism just fits. Although you may be right. I'm not sure, I'll have to think about it. Anyone elses opinions?
Faith Vs. Beast

 

[canudig]

Re: I never thought of this. Seems great, opinions?

yeah....and of course other factors involving the shield is res in addition to block, maybe life, maybe fcr, maybe fhr, whatever......