Re: i hope the fix the bosses
stupid imo or poor
why would you play a game based around multiplayer on single player?
stupid imo or poor
i hope the fix the bosses
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NASE
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Re: i hope the fix the bosses
Diablo II isn't a game based around multiplayer and diablo III won't be different. Both games had, have and will have singleplayer as an option.
So I don't you visage? Are you calling our whole single player community stupid?
http://diablo.incgamers.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=3
Diablo II isn't a game based around multiplayer and diablo III won't be different. Both games had, have and will have singleplayer as an option.
So I don't you visage? Are you calling our whole single player community stupid?
http://diablo.incgamers.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=3
Krugar
Banned
Re: i hope the fix the bosses
If you don't mind, I will prefer to continue being stupid and poor.
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As for one-hit kills,
Every monster will have a sort of difficulty rating, based also on the difficulty level we are playing (assuming D3 continues with D2 difficulty levels system). It's feasible to accept that monsters and bosses alike can one-hit kill a player that doesn't meet the requirements to fight said monster. After all this is part of the gameplay. If I run into an pack of Death Knigths cursed, unarmored and without proper level requirements, I can expect a swift dead.
What shouldn't happened is insta-kill tactics; A monster that relies on the concept of insta-kill to battle the player. This is a very poor replacement for proper monster AI and scripted battles. This is 2009 and an ARPG, not 1978 Space Invaders. Monsters we battle with should reply on a strong AI and scripts. Not poor-man's approaches that immediately remind me of D2 immunity mods. If a player goes unprepared below a certain threshold surely they can expect being insta-killed. What's the game where that doesn't happen?
Blizzard already announced many things which we can expect on battles. A true to its name AI, scripts, no more immunities, a damage system based on damage reduction... surely they wouldn't introduce insta-kill tactics to ruin all this effort.
Ah. Well, I'm stupid and poor then. As is a large chunk of these forums community.
If you don't mind, I will prefer to continue being stupid and poor.
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As for one-hit kills,
Every monster will have a sort of difficulty rating, based also on the difficulty level we are playing (assuming D3 continues with D2 difficulty levels system). It's feasible to accept that monsters and bosses alike can one-hit kill a player that doesn't meet the requirements to fight said monster. After all this is part of the gameplay. If I run into an pack of Death Knigths cursed, unarmored and without proper level requirements, I can expect a swift dead.
What shouldn't happened is insta-kill tactics; A monster that relies on the concept of insta-kill to battle the player. This is a very poor replacement for proper monster AI and scripted battles. This is 2009 and an ARPG, not 1978 Space Invaders. Monsters we battle with should reply on a strong AI and scripts. Not poor-man's approaches that immediately remind me of D2 immunity mods. If a player goes unprepared below a certain threshold surely they can expect being insta-killed. What's the game where that doesn't happen?
Blizzard already announced many things which we can expect on battles. A true to its name AI, scripts, no more immunities, a damage system based on damage reduction... surely they wouldn't introduce insta-kill tactics to ruin all this effort.
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NASE
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Re: i hope the fix the bosses
But why are things so black and white. Why can't you have a combination of strong AI and scripts with strong attacks/use of the environment to produce high damage (that are likely to one hit the weaker character).
Bad Ash
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Re: i hope the fix the bosses
Did you and your gang of 7 RL friends go from normal to hell in 2 and 1/2 days the first time you played through diablo 2? No. you didnt. That was my point that you totally disregarded. The game has been out for 10 years. no one is impressed or should be that you beat that game in 2 and 1/2 days 10 years after the game has come out when you can beat the whole game in under 8 hours.
also, why would people still play single player? I think you've made a great case for the people who do, because no one wants to play with people like you lol.
the point is that the bosses are challenging when you dont know how to exploit the game. Nothing is wrong with the bosses, the game is just ungodly old so everyone knows how every fight works to the T.
Also, go play hardcore. Every single boss fight is extremely trying because of the OHK's. you shouldnt be able to get OHKed, but go play HC and tell me they need to fix the bosses. cause its tough.
of course visage has 7 RL friends who give him uber and leet gear in HC so that last sentence doesnt apply to him
clearly you didnt even read my post, just decided to talk out of your butt.
Did you and your gang of 7 RL friends go from normal to hell in 2 and 1/2 days the first time you played through diablo 2? No. you didnt. That was my point that you totally disregarded. The game has been out for 10 years. no one is impressed or should be that you beat that game in 2 and 1/2 days 10 years after the game has come out when you can beat the whole game in under 8 hours.
also, why would people still play single player? I think you've made a great case for the people who do, because no one wants to play with people like you lol.
the point is that the bosses are challenging when you dont know how to exploit the game. Nothing is wrong with the bosses, the game is just ungodly old so everyone knows how every fight works to the T.
Also, go play hardcore. Every single boss fight is extremely trying because of the OHK's. you shouldnt be able to get OHKed, but go play HC and tell me they need to fix the bosses. cause its tough.
of course visage has 7 RL friends who give him uber and leet gear in HC so that last sentence doesnt apply to him
Re: i hope the fix the bosses
One hit kills only make sense when you are warned of the danger and ignore it. Think Resident Evil 4/5. Borrowing from those games, I think if you are low on life and take a killing blow from a special move, a unique death animation would be cool.
One hit kills only make sense when you are warned of the danger and ignore it. Think Resident Evil 4/5. Borrowing from those games, I think if you are low on life and take a killing blow from a special move, a unique death animation would be cool.
NASE
Diabloii.Net Member
Re: i hope the fix the bosses
However, she is made to dodge them. Which is exactly why I use guided arrow and harmony.
Being prepared or not is not the point. Some character simply aren't meant to be though. And refusing to accept this and to refusing to take appropriate damage measures to ensure this feature of the character remains, Breaks the while idea.
Now, I know you people don't like to play characters like this. And that you probably are more for the barbarian or druid. Yet guess what, that's not how the game is going to be played (even with auto stats).
And mark my words, We will all be one hit killed at one point. Please don't come complaining about it.
*: back in the days, I could go anywhere where there aren't gloams and very rarely die. Ahh, those were the days.
My bowazon is perfectly prepared*. And my bow character will be perfectly prepared in DIII (well, eventually). And even then, she just isn't meant to survive attacks for the lord of terror himself.
However, she is made to dodge them. Which is exactly why I use guided arrow and harmony.
Being prepared or not is not the point. Some character simply aren't meant to be though. And refusing to accept this and to refusing to take appropriate damage measures to ensure this feature of the character remains, Breaks the while idea.
Now, I know you people don't like to play characters like this. And that you probably are more for the barbarian or druid. Yet guess what, that's not how the game is going to be played (even with auto stats).
And mark my words, We will all be one hit killed at one point. Please don't come complaining about it.
*: back in the days, I could go anywhere where there aren't gloams and very rarely die. Ahh, those were the days.
PReP
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Re: i hope the fix the bosses
Yeah, we are very stupid to not log in to battle net and play with the "mature" and "cool" toddlers that are so common there
SlechtWeerBeer
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Re: i hope the fix the bosses
Just so you know, I have a Vit-less Sorc on Median.
The only reason I see to be OHKO'd is when people are way too overpowered. If the player is on par in strength to average monsters, other monsters that one-hit will be rather hard to kill because they survive more than one hit themselves. Still, 95% Fire resist and 20% Absorb and you cannot be OHKO'd by fire (you'll just heal a ton). So one-hits are circumstantial (is that a word?). If you choose to have -100 FR on Hell, yes, you get one-shotted. But that's because you're just being silly, imo.
You can dodge all his attacks because you know exactly how he attacks, and there's nothing to distract you.
Just so you know, I have a Vit-less Sorc on Median.
The only reason I see to be OHKO'd is when people are way too overpowered. If the player is on par in strength to average monsters, other monsters that one-hit will be rather hard to kill because they survive more than one hit themselves. Still, 95% Fire resist and 20% Absorb and you cannot be OHKO'd by fire (you'll just heal a ton). So one-hits are circumstantial (is that a word?). If you choose to have -100 FR on Hell, yes, you get one-shotted. But that's because you're just being silly, imo.
Re: i hope the fix the bosses
I dont give a damn about OHK, I just believe that we must have bosses with more presence, as I always refer to the bosses as Pinatas.
Someone said that they are challenging on Singleplayer, well... to me they never were and if thats the case it doesnt matter, Multiplayer is a big part of Diablo 2 and the bosses there are that: Big stupid and weak pinatas, you could gather 8 ppl with crap equip and they will own baal on hell difficult with no sweat.
I am quite sure that Blizzard has matured on that sense of making challenging battles against a bigger number of people, like WoW the 25-man raids have destructive bosses that can wipe out the raid, I am sure we will have more tunned up bosses for party encounters because its not what happens in Diablo 2. In terms of multiplayer its safe to say that the bosses were never challenging. Honorable mention to the ancients maybe, but even that already got covered by hammerdins nowdays.
I dont give a damn about OHK, I just believe that we must have bosses with more presence, as I always refer to the bosses as Pinatas.
Someone said that they are challenging on Singleplayer, well... to me they never were and if thats the case it doesnt matter, Multiplayer is a big part of Diablo 2 and the bosses there are that: Big stupid and weak pinatas, you could gather 8 ppl with crap equip and they will own baal on hell difficult with no sweat.
I am quite sure that Blizzard has matured on that sense of making challenging battles against a bigger number of people, like WoW the 25-man raids have destructive bosses that can wipe out the raid, I am sure we will have more tunned up bosses for party encounters because its not what happens in Diablo 2. In terms of multiplayer its safe to say that the bosses were never challenging. Honorable mention to the ancients maybe, but even that already got covered by hammerdins nowdays.
mixritpitlik
Diabloii.Net Member
Re: i hope the fix the bosses
A whole thread about boss mechanics in D3 and no one even whined about D3 being too much like wow. I am impressed
Edit: Reread my own post and i feel like it might come off as offensive. I don't mean that people saying D3 shouldn't go too much into WoW's direction are wrong. It just strikes me that this boss mechanic, being discussed here, is quite like WoW's boss mechanics. I am genuinly surprised
Felt like saying something about that for a few months lurking the D3 forums, it came out and i am sorry.
Nonsense troll is spewing nonsense, also...being offensive doesn't make you impressive. At least not the impressive you are looking for:whistling:
A whole thread about boss mechanics in D3 and no one even whined about D3 being too much like wow. I am impressed
Edit: Reread my own post and i feel like it might come off as offensive. I don't mean that people saying D3 shouldn't go too much into WoW's direction are wrong. It just strikes me that this boss mechanic, being discussed here, is quite like WoW's boss mechanics. I am genuinly surprised
Felt like saying something about that for a few months lurking the D3 forums, it came out and i am sorry.
NASE
Diabloii.Net Member
Re: i hope the fix the bosses
And why would I be silly. My character is perfectly viable (for what it was designed).
So you are assuming there won't be a single large boss that fit that description. That quite limiting don't you think.
Again with the Median. And why? It's really not that great.
You would need the same for lighting, poison and cold.
And why would I be silly. My character is perfectly viable (for what it was designed).
SlechtWeerBeer
Diabloii.Net Member
Re: i hope the fix the bosses
Anyways, no, I don't think that way. I just hope the act-enders are a bit more challenging than they were in D2.
We'll see, won't we?
Anyways, no, I don't think that way. I just hope the act-enders are a bit more challenging than they were in D2.
That was regarding "Now, I know you people don't like to play characters like this.". Challenges are nice.
isak viking
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Re: i hope the fix the bosses
what is median? a new d2 patch ? :jig:
what is median? a new d2 patch ? :jig:
korialstraz
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Re: i hope the fix the bosses
I'd like to think of the heroes in D2 as the hero in from the books. He became immensely powerful, casting out all the angels AND demons at the same time. :thumbsup:
*SPOILER FROM SIN WARS*
I'd like to think of the heroes in D2 as the hero in from the books. He became immensely powerful, casting out all the angels AND demons at the same time. :thumbsup:
KillaMike
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Re: i hope the fix the bosses
Mike
and going in void beound void so he could not hurt his people due of being so powerful
Mike
SlechtWeerBeer
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