Hybrid Runewords?

[michaeljay]

Re: Hybrid Runewords?

wow...my hax1ng database is DISO an update. Hybrid Runewords? Public rollback dupes? At least that one would explain why the games keep crashing and the servers lag horrendously. Comcast is NOT to blame!

I think you night be right JsTc, but I also don't think you should underestimate the power of botting. I run lvl 85 areas in public games for about 1-3 hours/day. Say 3 hours/day for the sake of argument even though that's ridiculously unrealistic. Well, one bot can do in a day what takes me 8 days to do. Now run 20 bots simultaneously. It will take me 160 days to perform an equivalent MF run that they can do in one day. Of course, there's a caveat to that, as not all of those bots will be running players8 - two may be as baal games fill quickly, and a few may have full chaos runs, and the others may either be at 1 or 3 or 5. The point remains though that a throng of bots can run the game obscenely, dashing those statistics which bring us grief and despair.

And also, Hell Baal is not the only creature capable of dropping those items on a baal or chaos run. On a chaos run, every monster except Diablo and his superunique pals can drop Griffon's and Tyrael's, and on a Baal run every monster can drop those items (I'm not sure, actually, if all of his Minions can).

 

[Arkansaw]

Re: Hybrid Runewords?

Eh what? Grief or Enigma aren't useful in L30 dueling? It's not just about adding mods from runes, but also lowering level reqs by adding a low-level runeword.

Granted I don't duel, but pubby duel games have always been a joke, especially when you are going to worry if the next guy is using some bugged item.

 

[TurbulentTurtle]

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[Greizer]

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From what I've heard, the people 'in the know', who are connected to the item sites if not directly working for them, run hundreds or even thousands of clientless bots day and night. :doh: I'm pretty sure that being clientless means that they can evade temp bans totally. :coffee::banghead:

Still, I suspect imports as well, for perf Tomb Reavers and the like. Sure you can find them with an army of bots, but not within a few days of Ladder start.
:scratchchin:

 

[gurnison]

Re: Hybrid Runewords?

just googled a bit, they are on ladder already. The same three websites selling it also had runes El - Zod for sell with 40+ quantity of each, within 5 hours after ladder reset. A few days later, 390/70 LW, 400/400/21/15 Pheonix ST, 15/30/150/2 CoA, 40/400/25/15 Grief...etc. all there with 40+ quantity. There must be someone from the inside generating the items for them right? I've always find it hard to believe that botting + duping can provide the huge product range they have...and this new Grief of Doom BA they're now selling kind of confirms the doubts at last.

weather its a inside job or not, its purely speculation. theres a import and dupe method that has been kept very secret, no body knows anything about it.

those websites selling those stuff are running clientless bots its not unrealistic for them to generate all those stuff, its also possible that they are getting their supplies from the duper/dupers.

 

[TurbulentTurtle]

Re: Hybrid Runewords?

From what I've heard, the people 'in the know', who are connected to the item sites if not directly working for them, run hundreds or even thousands of clientless bots day and night. :doh: I'm pretty sure that being clientless means that they can evade temp bans totally. :coffee::banghead:

Still, I suspect imports as well, for perf Tomb Reavers and the like. Sure you can find them with an army of bots, but not within a few days of Ladder start.
:scratchchin:

I know on another forum I go to (not JSP, in fact my brother told me that they don't exactly condone botting anymore, I have no clue, just word of mouth) there are a few "casual" D2'ers who run 3 or 4 bots simultaneously, and stop only to transfer some stuff over.
So it's not like it's surprising that the item shops would be running hundreds of bots at the same time to get their supply of items.
It's like mass production.

 

[Tidolwav]

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The real question is who is supporting these item sites? The rich? $500.00 for one item is a lot of money. So where is the money going and where is it coming from? Since Blizzard has left Diablo 2 to the legacy team, one has to wonder just how reliable this team is. What about the people who left Blizzard? The question shouldn't be how they get it, but who's allowing them to get it. Right?

You'd think if Blizzard really wanted to stop botting they would have done so by now, a multi-billion dollar company can't stop a few bot programs? Better yet close down an item shop?

I suppose you're just going to say it's a waste of their time... Well since Blizzard has said that they support PvM over PvP, it's true that their focus is on the monsters, but like any good game, PvPing is a big part of the game as well and they know it.

Guild Wars and Runescape have banned a ton of botters just recently and continue to do so. Runescape, making far less than Diablo 2: LoD every year, is able to ban more bots than Blizzard can? Support may be dead, but it's still their baby and they left it in the hands of the "legacy team". Which basically means they're done with the primary focus and it's now in secondary "focus".

I'm being redundant, but I hope my point is clear. The question is who is supporting (monetary, items, etc.) these item sites, rather than how they are getting their items.

Sorry for the wall of text.

 

[McTommo]

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Just a thought - does the fact that they advertise items really mean that they have them? I've never bought off an item site but they don't strike me as being people of particularly high character - if someone was willing to pay silly money for uber gear 5 days into the ladder is it not possible that they would advertise something they didnt have just to get credit card details?

 

[Tidolwav]

Re: Hybrid Runewords?

Usually sites that are pretty seedy are the ones that would most likely steal your information, more "reputable" sites are more than likely able to have employees, hundreds, perhaps. Think of it as a telemarketer.

 

[Zorakron]

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This is just a thought but what else happened right before the runewords started popping up? Essences? Tokens? What else is missing here? SoH, an item that does nothing with a Level Requirement? I think players should get creative rather than assume it's some sort of hack. How do you think breakpoints were found out? Testing, trial and error? I think this needs more thought than most people who play diablo are capable of IMHO. :whistling:

If we can now respec our characters, why not our items?

 

[krischan]

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I think players should get creative rather than assume it's some sort of hack.

Exploiting bugs in that manner is cheating. There are other bugs in the game which improve items, like the eth cube socketing bug, but that's not killing game balance. I guess Blizzard hasn't fixed it because people like it.

How do you think breakpoints were found out? Testing, trial and error?

With a disassembler.

I think this needs more thought than most people who play diablo are capable of IMHO. :whistling:

The same goes to you . It seems to me that you haven't put enough thoughts into the issue, you just stopped at a point where it was convenient for you.

If we can now respec our characters, why not our items?

Because of game balance.

 

[fudoshin]

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hmm, its some kind of moding and its a hack.but its possible on single or open bn or some non-blizz servers.why not.did u see some crazy items from avalon?

 

[droid]

Re: Hybrid Runewords?

If we can now respec our characters, why not our items?

You can...Hel+Scroll of TP = clean sockets

That's the equivalent of respeccing an item, since it lets you redo the only instance where you make a decision on an item.

Rollbacks aren't respeccing, they're trying to remove randomness from items that are only balanced because of that randomness. Plus, they don't actually cost the player anything - they just ruin the game for everyone else on the server.

It'd be more analogous to getting infinite re-imbues on a single item from Charsi for free, which obviously is game-breaking.

 

[Trionth]

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Seems more and more I'm finding people who buy their items. They'll ask to see my gear then say:

"if my bot doesn't find that, then I'll just buy it"

Even friends who have been playing legitly with me have started to cheat. Had one of my friends buy a fully equiped hammerdin for $30, then he bought a bot program, and tried advertising to me. This leads me to believe that these companies that are selling items/bot programs are being backed by Blizzard, and are making the money to keep going just from people being lazy and not playing the game. Its frustrating.

As for these "hybrid runewords"... I don't know. I've never known duping techniques and have never seen one of these items in person myself. They could be edited photographs (easily could be done in photoshop or a similar program) I don't see why a "company" wouldn't fake an item to get it to sell. There are no repercussions to their actions. What will happen? Angry spam messages from an irate cheater with way too much money to waste?

I don't understand how Blizzard can't stop botting or duping. I played runescape for ~1 year. Rarely did I see a bot that lasted more than a few weeks in one particular area before it was banned. There were also no dupes, and no way of buying items. It made it impossible to not play legitly (other than bots, which can be made until they are banned)

Gha, Cheaters. Stupid.

Sorry for the short book :\

 

[Akkarrin]

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I don't see why a "company" wouldn't fake an item to get it to sell. There are no repercussions to their actions. What will happen? Angry spam messages from an irate cheater with way too much money to waste?

Once they sell it to you though, it becomes credit card fraud if they have no intention of delivering, whether to a cheater or not. Back on the subject though, I'd heard of of these hybrid runewords back in 1.11 (the last time I played ladder until recently). I never saw them being advertised for sale though.

 

[Trionth]

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If you pay attention to the Ad bots (atleast on USWest NL) They advertise "hybrid" runewords quite a bit. I thought it was just Bull-:censored: to get people to come to their site. Guess not :\

If they do deliver, but its not the same as what you bought (simple switch of a picture on the site and they have no proof) You're probably right though :thumbup:

 

[Theio Vrefos]

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How do you think breakpoints were found out? Testing, trial and error? I think this needs more thought than most people who play diablo are capable of IMHO. :whistling:

Probably by examining the game code.

 

[SicHalo]

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its all real the hybrid weapons and the importing.. i know someone mentioned before about mass bots etc equatting to the stock of items but this aint true at all..

Some of the items with exact same specs have been spotted in other realms now what is the likely hood of this happening?

Or you see a helm with simular mods i.e 2 hp or 1 less dex with name change on different realms.. again the likely hood of this is very unrealistic.

Another question u have to ask urselves is why is it happening now? If shops had this so called "bot mfed stock" why where they not rolled out in mass form like it is now?

High end rares/ crafted rings are hugely common (take a look at jsp trophy room) half the stuff in there are from the online shops such as lewt etc...

I dont know if blizzard is involved/ even cares but high end rares and hybrid runewords are common as hell...

 

[NDIII]

Re: Hybrid Runewords?

Wow... haven't played in about a year now. Decided to briefly take a look at what's going on with the game now and this is the latest I see... lol. Hurry up D3 and Blizzard better well take care of it unlike they do with d2.

Though sadly, even WoW has a lot of crap (such as botters) going on in it apparently =\.