# How would this work?

#### skoolbus

##### Diabloii.Net Member
How would this work?

Whilst looking for gear to make an invincible char (which I will explain/post about later) I came across the Black Hades Chaos Armor. Now I have a few questions about it.
- Can it spawn eth? (I have no reason to think it cant, but you never know)
- Would I get more defense, assuming it spawns with 200%ed, if I put 3 +64 def jewels in it or 3 pul runes?
- What is the max possible defense one of these can get after up'ed? (I dont know whether the jewels add to the base def or not)

If they do add to base def, I get-
557 * 1.5 = 835.5 (eth bonus)
835.5 + (3 * 64) = 1027.5 (jewels added to base def)
1027.5 * 200% = 3082.5 def

If I use 3 pul runes-
557 * 1.5 = 835.5 (eth bonus)
835.5 * 290% = 3258.45 def

I have no idea if these calculations are remotely close, would this be considerbly higher than a comparable stone runeword, keeping in mind that the jewels can have good suffixes as well, IAS?

#### FodderCannoned

##### Diabloii.Net Member
thats about the same as an eth stone sacred, and i am not sure whether jewels add to base or not

#### HBeachBabe

##### Diabloii.Net Member
just did a quick test:

took a Black Hades, base def of 343 with +144% ED for a total of 836 and put a +50 jewel in it. in game, the def is now 886, meaning the jewel adds to total def, not base def. if it did, the total def should be 393 +144%=959

adding a Pul would make it base def 343 with +174% ED for a total of 939 with +50 jewel bringing it up to 989

so, if 30% of your base def>def on jewel, then use Pul

#### Fafner

##### Diabloii.Net Member
Chaos Armor
Defense: 1444
Durability: 36 of 36
Required Strength: 140
Required Level: 53
Item Version: 1.10 Expansion
Item Level: 86
Fingerprint: 0x4c01de07
+181% Enhanced Defense
Half Freeze Duration
48% Damage to Demons
+237 to Attack Rating against Demons
Ethereal (Cannot be Repaired), Socketed (3: 0 used)

19% from perfect.

Here's a good stone in eth sacred.

Stone
Superior Sacred Armor
'ShaelUmPulLum'
Defense: 3486
Durability: 34 of 34
Required Strength: 222
Required Level: 66
Item Version: 1.10 Expansion
Item Level: 85
Fingerprint: 0x24b4e68c
+16 to Strength
+10 to Energy
+16 to Vitality
+247% Enhanced Defense
+40% Enhanced Defense
+300 Defense vs. Missile
All Resistances +15
Increase Maximum Durability 11%
60% Faster Hit Recovery
Level 16 Molten Boulder (34/80 Charges)
Level 16 Clay Golem (7/16 Charges)
Ethereal (Cannot be Repaired), Socketed (4: 4 used)

I think Upgrading a black hades would cost you a little more in terms of runes than stone. 3 x Pul = Um, Pul. Lem,Ko > Lum, Shael.

Albeit the black hades may be easier to get, there are other eth armours that would make a good stone. I just socketed a sup. eth sacred armour that I happened upon (ilvl 85 IIRC).

#### Dodgydave

##### Diabloii.Net Member
If you want the highest defence armour you can find which won't break this ones hard to top.

Steel Carapace
'Pul'
Defense: 2929
Durability: 36 of 36
Required Strength: 230
Required Level: 66
Item Version: 1.10 Expansion
Item Level: 99
Fingerprint: 0xa9dd8896
+250% Enhanced Defense
Regenerate Mana 13%
Damage Reduced by 12
Cold Resist +45%
20% Faster Hit Recovery
8% Chance to cast Level 6 Iron Maiden when struck
Repairs 1 durability in 20 seconds
Ethereal (Cannot be Repaired), Socketed (1: 1 used)

#### Disco-neck Ted

##### The Dark Library
Upgrading eth armor used to be bugged so that it would stay ethereal, but the 150% base defense multiplier was ignored in the upped version. In other words, it would become normal elite armor (times whatever enhanced defense %) that was unrepairable.

I wasn't aware that had changed...

#### maxgerin

##### Diabloii.Net Member
I got one that I've been saving for a merc but eventually forgot I have it til this thread came up...

Chaos Armor
Defense: 1526
Durability: 36 of 36
Required Strength: 140
Required Level: 53
Unidentified
Item Version: 1.10 Expansion
Item Level: 87
Fingerprint: 0xec2d424e
+197% Enhanced Defense
Half Freeze Duration
50% Damage to Demons
+248 to Attack Rating against Demons
Ethereal (Cannot be Repaired), Socketed (3: 0 used)

Just 3% to perfect. Though I don't know what the base defense is. It does vary as well, right?

IF you socket that with 3 Puls, where would that get you? :uhhuh:

I still think Stone Superior Eth Armor is better than a 3-Pul eth Black Hades, if only for the Faster Hit Recovery, not to mention the resist. And if you are going to use it, not your merc, it would eventually be destroyed.

--maxgerin

#### Fafner

##### Diabloii.Net Member
Dodgydave said:
If you want the highest defence armour you can find which won't break this ones hard to top.

Steel Carapace
'Pul'
Defense: 2929
Durability: 36 of 36
Required Strength: 230
Required Level: 66
Item Version: 1.10 Expansion
Item Level: 99
Fingerprint: 0xa9dd8896
+250% Enhanced Defense
Regenerate Mana 13%
Damage Reduced by 12
Cold Resist +45%
20% Faster Hit Recovery
8% Chance to cast Level 6 Iron Maiden when struck
Repairs 1 durability in 20 seconds
Ethereal (Cannot be Repaired), Socketed (1: 1 used)
This is a sweet armor. I've found one in 2 years of moderate play, but it wasn't ethereal. Yeah, as mentioned that upgrade bug will screw the Black Hades idea.

#### bill_n_opus

##### Diabloii.Net Member
maxgerin said:
I still think Stone Superior Eth Armor is better than a 3-Pul eth Black Hades, if only for the Faster Hit Recovery, not to mention the resist. And if you are going to use it, not your merc, it would eventually be destroyed.

--maxgerin
Personally, Stone beats the pants off of Black Hades for all that you mentioned plus the +15 vit/str and +10 ene and synergy potential. You can build a kickbutt fireclaws druid around Stone if you wish ... you can't do that with Black Hades.

The 60%FHR is top end and can mean the difference of a merc staying alive or being stunlocked to death and unable to leech or hit back and creating a ctc decrep situation for example with Reaper's Toll.

#### skoolbus

##### Diabloii.Net Member
gah, I forgot about the eth upgrading bug There goes that feeble plan
The only problem with all of the high defense armors you guys are showing me is that they are incredibly hard to find. No steel carapaces have ever dropped for me, and the number of 900+ def armors is the same 0
I've started doing some more hell cows, these armors can drop there right?