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How would this work?

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  1. skoolbus

    skoolbus IncGamers Member

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    How would this work?

    Whilst looking for gear to make an invincible char (which I will explain/post about later) I came across the Black Hades Chaos Armor. Now I have a few questions about it.
    - Can it spawn eth? (I have no reason to think it cant, but you never know)
    - Would I get more defense, assuming it spawns with 200%ed, if I put 3 +64 def jewels in it or 3 pul runes?
    - What is the max possible defense one of these can get after up'ed? (I dont know whether the jewels add to the base def or not)

    If they do add to base def, I get-
    557 * 1.5 = 835.5 (eth bonus)
    835.5 + (3 * 64) = 1027.5 (jewels added to base def)
    1027.5 * 200% = 3082.5 def

    If I use 3 pul runes-
    557 * 1.5 = 835.5 (eth bonus)
    835.5 * 290% = 3258.45 def

    I have no idea if these calculations are remotely close, would this be considerbly higher than a comparable stone runeword, keeping in mind that the jewels can have good suffixes as well, IAS?
     
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    FodderCannoned IncGamers Member

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    thats about the same as an eth stone sacred, and i am not sure whether jewels add to base or not
     
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    HBeachBabe IncGamers Member

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    just did a quick test:

    took a Black Hades, base def of 343 with +144% ED for a total of 836 and put a +50 jewel in it. in game, the def is now 886, meaning the jewel adds to total def, not base def. if it did, the total def should be 393 +144%=959

    adding a Pul would make it base def 343 with +174% ED for a total of 939 with +50 jewel bringing it up to 989

    so, if 30% of your base def>def on jewel, then use Pul
     
  4. Fafner

    Fafner IncGamers Member

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    Black Hades
    Chaos Armor
    Defense: 1444
    Durability: 36 of 36
    Required Strength: 140
    Required Level: 53
    Item Version: 1.10 Expansion
    Item Level: 86
    Fingerprint: 0x4c01de07
    +181% Enhanced Defense
    -2 to Light Radius
    Half Freeze Duration
    48% Damage to Demons
    +237 to Attack Rating against Demons
    Ethereal (Cannot be Repaired), Socketed (3: 0 used)

    19% from perfect.

    Here's a good stone in eth sacred.

    Stone
    Superior Sacred Armor
    'ShaelUmPulLum'
    Defense: 3486
    Durability: 34 of 34
    Required Strength: 222
    Required Level: 66
    Item Version: 1.10 Expansion
    Item Level: 85
    Fingerprint: 0x24b4e68c
    +16 to Strength
    +10 to Energy
    +16 to Vitality
    +247% Enhanced Defense
    +40% Enhanced Defense
    +300 Defense vs. Missile
    All Resistances +15
    Increase Maximum Durability 11%
    60% Faster Hit Recovery
    Level 16 Molten Boulder (34/80 Charges)
    Level 16 Clay Golem (7/16 Charges)
    Ethereal (Cannot be Repaired), Socketed (4: 4 used)

    I think Upgrading a black hades would cost you a little more in terms of runes than stone. 3 x Pul = Um, Pul. Lem,Ko > Lum, Shael.

    Albeit the black hades may be easier to get, there are other eth armours that would make a good stone. I just socketed a sup. eth sacred armour that I happened upon (ilvl 85 IIRC).
     
  5. Dodgydave

    Dodgydave IncGamers Member

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    If you want the highest defence armour you can find which won't break this ones hard to top.

    Steel Carapace
    Shadow Plate
    'Pul'
    Defense: 2929
    Durability: 36 of 36
    Required Strength: 230
    Required Level: 66
    Item Version: 1.10 Expansion
    Item Level: 99
    Fingerprint: 0xa9dd8896
    +250% Enhanced Defense
    Regenerate Mana 13%
    Damage Reduced by 12
    Cold Resist +45%
    20% Faster Hit Recovery
    8% Chance to cast Level 6 Iron Maiden when struck
    Repairs 1 durability in 20 seconds
    Ethereal (Cannot be Repaired), Socketed (1: 1 used)
     
  6. Disco-neck Ted

    Disco-neck Ted The Dark Library

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    Upgrading eth armor used to be bugged so that it would stay ethereal, but the 150% base defense multiplier was ignored in the upped version. In other words, it would become normal elite armor (times whatever enhanced defense %) that was unrepairable.

    I wasn't aware that had changed...
     
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    maxgerin IncGamers Member

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    I got one that I've been saving for a merc but eventually forgot I have it til this thread came up...

    Black Hades
    Chaos Armor
    Defense: 1526
    Durability: 36 of 36
    Required Strength: 140
    Required Level: 53
    Unidentified
    Item Version: 1.10 Expansion
    Item Level: 87
    Fingerprint: 0xec2d424e
    +197% Enhanced Defense
    -2 to Light Radius
    Half Freeze Duration
    50% Damage to Demons
    +248 to Attack Rating against Demons
    Ethereal (Cannot be Repaired), Socketed (3: 0 used)

    Just 3% to perfect. Though I don't know what the base defense is. It does vary as well, right?

    IF you socket that with 3 Puls, where would that get you? :uhhuh:

    I still think Stone Superior Eth Armor is better than a 3-Pul eth Black Hades, if only for the Faster Hit Recovery, not to mention the resist. And if you are going to use it, not your merc, it would eventually be destroyed.

    --maxgerin
     
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    Fafner IncGamers Member

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    This is a sweet armor. I've found one in 2 years of moderate play, but it wasn't ethereal. Yeah, as mentioned that upgrade bug will screw the Black Hades idea.
     
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    bill_n_opus IncGamers Member

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    Personally, Stone beats the pants off of Black Hades for all that you mentioned plus the +15 vit/str and +10 ene and synergy potential. You can build a kickbutt fireclaws druid around Stone if you wish ... you can't do that with Black Hades.

    The 60%FHR is top end and can mean the difference of a merc staying alive or being stunlocked to death and unable to leech or hit back and creating a ctc decrep situation for example with Reaper's Toll.
     
  10. skoolbus

    skoolbus IncGamers Member

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    gah, I forgot about the eth upgrading bug :( There goes that feeble plan
    The only problem with all of the high defense armors you guys are showing me is that they are incredibly hard to find. No steel carapaces have ever dropped for me, and the number of 900+ def armors is the same 0
    I've started doing some more hell cows, these armors can drop there right?
     

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