How to MF w/ your sorc and Merc

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How to MF w/ your sorc and Merc

I dont really like using the tal set. If i was MF'ing i still really wouldnt need that much + skills to kill hell baal. Cuz my sorc does 6.5K w/ out my +skills gear. (I got 8 +cold gc's) Heres what i use to mf...Shako w/ P topaz, 4 isted shield, occy w/ ist (sometimes ali babba, varies) , war travs, chance guard, goldwrap, 2 nagels (28% and 27%), +3 coldskills ammy w/12% mf, and skullders w/ p topaz. I dont really like using ists in armor, helms, and some cases even shields if u cant afford it. I think ists are to expensive and should only be used in weapons. That's why i isted my occy, i isted my shield for some dumb reason but it helps. The only trouble i have is low resists...but to make up for this i usually just carry +15 to resisits. Its pretty hard to find +15 to cold/poison/lightening/fire but once you find 2 or 3 of each your mf will be pretty good. If you continue w/ this strategy I find it easy to MF. People usually forget that a Merc is a Good way to find good MF items. My merc has about 250% MF. And I have 400% MF. So, whenever my merc kills a monster or a boss the MF percent is 650%. If you dont know how the whole merc thing goes I will explain. It is good to have a high percent of MF but having a high % of MF doesnt mean that you will find rares and super uniques all the time, but it will happen more. (It also involves more luck, as well) But if you have your merc kill a monster or boss the % will be 650 and you will have a better chance of finding something. If you do a lot of dmg to Mephisto for e.x. and have your merc finish him off is a really good way to do things. I hope your understand how this works now, but understand, you will find rares and superuniques but it may not be what you are looking for. MF'ing takes a lot of time to do...you will find good items if u wait. Below I will list the gear i wear and the gear that my merc wears. Just remember to get the highest % of MF have your merc get the final hit on the boss.

My Gear-
Skullders w/ P Topaz
Shako w/ P topaz
4 soc shield w/ 4 Ists
Occulus w/ 1 Ist
23% chance guards
42% war travs
2 nagel rings 28% and 27%
+3 cold skills ammy w/ 12% mf
P Gold Wrap (30%)
Alli Babba w/ 2 ists (i switch my weapon on the final hit)
+1 cold skills (I have 8)
3 +15 resist scs of each resist poison/cold/fire/lighteing

My Mercs Gear- I have a merc from A3 just to let you no
Skullders w/ P Topaz
3 soc helm w/ 3 P Topaz
4 soc shield w/ 4 P topaz

Just remember that this char is a complete MF char to be successful you will need the charms that I have because you will do virtually no damage and your resistances will be poor. Make sure to cast Mana Shield and Shiver Armor to make your defense go up and to make your damage go directly to your mana. Make sure your warmth is on a decent lvl so your mana recharges semi decent. You will still have to use health and mana potions. So i hope this helped you out a little bit and I hope this stragegy works well for you because it works good for me. Later :cheesy:
 

BodomSaint

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wow, i don't want to sound like an a** but... what's your point?

1) You do not tell anything about the Skills you use (regarding the Cold GCs i assume blizzard? or maybe Frozen Orb?)
2) Resist small charms can only get as high as 11% not 15%. There are 15% Res all GCs but single res Small Charms are capped at 11% per charm, the only SC hat can get 15% res is the Annihilus ;)
3) Ists are good, but they are also damn rare

Just remember that this char is a complete MF char to be successful you will need the charms that I have because you will do virtually no damage and your resistances will be poor.
that really hurts :/ I mean this Set up is very, very expensive compared to full Tals or a combination of uniques and tals and imho way worse. My Blizzard sorc uses Tal Armor/Belt/Ammy, Shako, Occy, SoJ/Nagel, Travs, Chancies and upped Mosers with two Ums. This set up gives me plenty of +skills, life, res all (i don't need non-existant 15% res charms :p) and so on. I do about 3k Blizz dmg which is absolutely enogh for me to be fast and efficient and additionally, i don't need to spam my inventory with expensive Cold GCs (this is nuts, if someone builds an my char, it is most likely, that this person needs this char to aquire wealth for other chars to be built, and you tell them your build only works with s***loads of Cold GCs). my inventory is free for things i might miss. Need more res? get some res charms, need life? get life charms etc. and i have way over 500 MF withOUT my merc ;)

To Cut a long story short: there are much better ways to build an MF char, especially mucho mucho cheaper.

I apologize if i sound harsh, it's not intended (this is not my native language and i'm deadtired)

edit: http://www.rpgforums.net/showpost.php?p=2766856&postcount=180 (from the thread "The truth about Tals Set" post no 180) i think one time would have been enough ;)
 

berryific

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This is all great if you have all the equipment, but what about those of us who are just starting out with nothing? I'm wallowing around in normal with few friends and terrible equipment (I'm in A5 normal, and I'm still using a +2 to life sash), and I was lucky enough to get a good draw on an imbue to trade for an Ali Baba (which he already socketed with an Ith, one socket left) and a couple other things. I'm trying to get this sorc to be able to MF enough to find decent stuff for other characters I'd like to try (sorceress is getting a bit tiring), but the going is difficult. Perhaps some tips for startup characters? I've got 35% MF greaves, that's about it.
 

FieryPlague

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Hmm, well i got a lil help from my friends in acquiring some + stuff, but if you can get a nice person to at least rush you to act 3 nm, then you can use the moat trick and start getting some gear. From nm meph, i got my current skulders and lotsa of equipment for my lower chars. Also, juss find some low str req armor with 4 sockets and put in 4 ptopaz along with as many ptopazed items that give mf. Don't be stupid and put ptopaz into alibabas though, i see lots with 2 ptopaz >.< Unless your lihgtning, the moat trick works wonders becuase you only need enough resistance to get to the point, and then you can always switch outa the +res gear.
 

melianor

D3 Wizard Moderator
NobleLeader said:
... If i was MF'ing i still really wouldnt need that much + skills to kill hell baal. Cuz my sorc does 6.5K w/ out my +skills gear. (I got 8 +cold gc's)
Excuse me, but +8 Cold Skiller Grand Charms, thats +skill gear. No way you will convince me that this is not considered as such. Without it your damage would be rather small. +8 skills is rather much already.

Agreed though that by using GCs you can concentrate on using MF-gear on your Sorceress, on the other hand you could just replace those +8 Cols GCs with 24 5-7% MF scs, giving you 120-168% MF.
So i think that argument about not using +skills is rather nullified? ;)

Also someone uses Tal's set for combined good protective gear and MF.

EDIT: This is the same answers as in the the "Truth about Tal's set" :p

Also about MF. That high amount of MF is not really needed. Your killing power might be great enough with those skillers and +skills, still i think its way too much MF gear.
MF plays such a minimal part in the equation of item drops, that useing around ~300 MF is way enough. From my MFing experience i can tell that i found stuff almost equally with just 100% MF or 700% MF. I'd rather get more and more and more killing speed than spend my time optimizing the amount of MF i have.

Also your Act3 Merc will not land ANY kills in Hell, so his MF will not be counted towards the equation. Your Merc has to land the last killing blow on a monster and i want to see your Act3 Merc doing that, when he faces monsters immune to his casting skills.

Act2 Mercs with Skullders, Shako and Tombreaver do far better at that for "perfect MF" item finding.
 

rg_22uk

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Sorry but I dont think that you actually use this gear. My calculations on that gear you mentioned there come out at a much higher mf% then you state so I think it is false and you have not bothered researching your stated set-up. At level 85 your mf would be:

Ali baba 85% + 60% from Ists
Goldwrap 30%
Amulet 12%
Skullders 107% + 24% from Ptopaz
Shako 50% + 24% from Ptopaz
Shield 100% from Ists
Chance Guards 23%
War Travs 42%
Rings 28% + 27%

= 612%

Your mercs would be:

Skullders 105% + 24%
Helm 72%
Shield 96%

= 297%

Grand Total = 909% (providing your act 3 merc can actually make the kill)

As stated before by bodomsaint you cannot have non-unique small charms that give 15% all resists so you would have to have grand charms. 3 of these together with 8 gc skillers would take up 33 slots of the 40 in your inventory. Not only is this impractical for mf'ing but also impossible as the inventory measures 10 x 4 and you would need 11 x 3 for these charms.

if you can prove your set-up with screen shots I will quite happily retract my statement and apologise but i dont see how you are using this gear.
 

BattleQueen

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I can think of far better ways to use those IST runes.

300-400 MF is more than enough. Btw, Noble, how did u acquire those gear ( skillers, Tals set, etc) in the first place anyway? MF running using 4 PTopazed armor?? Or from a generous benefactor?

Anyway, thanks for sharing your enthusiasm though. Nvm the rantings from old timers like me... One day you too will see the light. :lol:
 

PyroStock

Diabloii.Net Member
For the love of lightning resists...

My Mercs Gear- I have a merc from A3 just to let you no
Skullders w/ P Topaz
3 soc helm w/ 3 P Topaz
4 soc shield w/ 4 P topaz
Your mercs would be:
Skullders 105% + 24%
Helm 72%
Shield 96%
:spy: :scratch:

Are we sure +160%Lightning Resist for a Merc is enough? There is that giant sized gloom boss with conviction hidden below the World Stone Chamber, which you might as well kill if you run Baal...

:teeth:
 

melianor

D3 Wizard Moderator
PyroStock said:
Are we sure +160%Lightning Resist for a Merc is enough? There is that giant sized gloom boss with conviction hidden below the World Stone Chamber, which you might as well kill if you run Baal...

:teeth:
:lol: i didn't even notice the 4 Topaz shield :D
 

rg_22uk

Diabloii.Net Member
Revised Mf% = 813%

Further backs the argument as pdiamonds would be used for resists.

Why not just use another 4 ists? You would only need 11 for the set-up then.
 

MithrandirX

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This has to be the most asinine thread I have seen in the sorc forum in a long time. I can't believe I just bumped it.
 

melianor

D3 Wizard Moderator
MithrandirX said:
This has to be the most asinine thread I have seen in the sorc forum in a long time. I can't believe I just bumped it.
Since NobleLeader has been banned, i think its time to close this thread!
 
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