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How to get over 100k defense.

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  1. IHATENAMES

    IHATENAMES IncGamers Member

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    How to get over 100k defense.

    I remeber that Garbad the Weak posted that a pally with exile could get over 100k defense. Can anyone tell me how? I think it would be nice to have a 100k defense pally that would dominate most melee characters.

    Also a question that's not related to the subject if if I have a hoto with 25 oak sage charges. If I use all the charges then repair the weapon would I have 25 more oak sage charges?
     
  2. rare

    rare IncGamers Member

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    with 100k defense you're probably going to have crummy everything. no life, dmg, fhr, fcr, dr, ias, etc etc. You could probably just sit there with people trying to hit you, thats about it.

    yes, if it says 0/25, and you repair it, you'll get 25/25 again.
     
  3. vdzele

    vdzele IncGamers Member

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    Ok I will try to calculate the highest I can get:

    Paladin level 99 when doing 3 times the act 3 quest “Lam Esen's Tome†(the book from the temple) will have 98 x 5 + 3 x 5 = 505 skill points to spend. His gear:

    Armor: Stone runeword with +290% Enhanced Defense using a perfect Eth Sacred armor with a base defense 900: 900 x 3.9 = 3510. Strenght req 232

    Helm: Eth (x 1.5 times) Godly (+200%) Corona (165 defense) socketed at Lazruk’s with a 2 socket with Pul’s (2 x +30%); 1.5 x 165 x (%200 + 2 x 30%) = 247 x 3.6 = 889

    Gloves: Eth (x 1.5 times) Godly (+200%) Ogre Gauntlets (71 defense) of perfection (+20 dexterity); 1.5 x 71 x 3 = 319

    Belt: Eth (x 1.5 times) Godly (+200%) Colossus Girdle (71 defense) of Atlas (+30 strenght); 1.5 x 71 x 3 = 319; strength req 185

    Boots: Eth (x 1.5 times) Godly (+200%) Myrmidon boots (71 defense) of precision (+15 dexterity); 1.5 x 71 x 3 = 319

    Shield: Exile runeword with +260% enhanced defense using a perfect Eth Vortex shield with a base defense 337: 337 x 3.6 = 1213

    Weapon: Fortitude runeword (+200% Enhanced Defense; +15 defense)

    Amulet: Metalgrid (+350 defense)

    Rings (2 pieces): Bul-Kathos’ wedding (+2 to all skills)

    Charms: Stalwart (+100 defense) Grand charm of strength (+6 str); Stalwart (+30 defense) Small charm of strength (+2 str); 10 pieces each in my inventory; Total of 1300 defense and 80 strength

    Stat point allocations:

    Strength: 25 + 97 (spend for wearing items)
    Dexterity: 20 + 408 (spend) + 50 (from gear) = 478

    Skill points allocations: Holy shield level 22 (+340% defense); Defiance as synergy to holy shield (20 x 15% = 300%); Defiance aura level 22 (+280% defense)

    Base defense rating of my character (Your Defense rating without: +Def or +Def% from equipment, charms or skills)

    = Dex / 4 (rounding down)
    = 478 / 4 = 119

    Base defense rating (with +defense modifiers) = 119 (char) + 3510 (armor) + 889 (helm) + 3 x 319 (gloves; belt; boots) + 1213 (shield) + 15 (weapon) + 350 (amulet) + 1300 (charms)
    Base defense rating (with +defense modifiers) = 8353

    The total defense rating

    Total Defense Rating = (Base Defense Rating) x (1 + Defense Bonuses % / 100)
    Total Defense Rating = 8353 x [1 + 340 / 100 (holy shield) + 300 / 100 (synergy) + 280 / 100 (defiance) + 200 / 100 (weapon)]
    Total Defense Rating = 8353 x (1 + 3.4 + 3 + 2.8 + 2)
    Total Defense Rating = 8353 x 12.2
    Total Defense Rating = 101906

    Please do correct me if I did something wrong
     
  4. RetroStar

    RetroStar IncGamers Member

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    That's beefy. Though didn't garbad suggest something that has killing power too?

    Good stuff there.
     
  5. el güero

    el güero IncGamers Member

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    what about a defense shrine?
     
  6. vdzele

    vdzele IncGamers Member

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    Defense shrine +100%

    Total Defense Rating = 8353 x [1 + 340 / 100 (holy shield) + 300 / 100 (synergy) + 280 / 100 (defiance) + 200 / 100 (weapon) +100 / 100 (shrine)]
    Total Defense Rating = 8353 x (1 + 3.4 + 3 + 2.8 + 2 +1)
    Total Defense Rating = 8353 x 13.2
    Total Defense Rating = 110259

    With Barb's shout level 49 (+5 barb helm; +3 amulet; +2 armor; +2 ring; +6 spears; +1 belt; +10 charms) = +500%

    Total Defense Rating = 8353 x [1 + 340 / 100 (holy shield) + 300 / 100 (synergy) + 280 / 100 (defiance) + 200 / 100 (weapon) +100 / 100 (shrine) + 500 / 100 (shout)]
    Total Defense Rating = 8353 x (1 + 3.4 + 3 + 2.8 + 2 + 1 +5)
    Total Defense Rating = 8353 x 18.2
    Total Defense Rating = 152024
     
  7. Lazy_BerZerker

    Lazy_BerZerker Banned

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    aww that would be nice :p and you could still have pretty high defence removing some pieces to get some damage aso. ^^

    That char would be hard to hit :p in a lvl 99 vs lvl 99 duel where the enemy had 100k of defence you would need:
    95% chance to hit > or = 1900000 Ar
    75% chance to hit = 300000 Ar
    66,67% chance to hit = 200000 Ar
    50% chance to hit = 100000 Ar
    33,33% chance to hit = 50000 Ar
    25% chance to hit = 33334 Ar
    5% chance to hit < or = 5263 Ar

    With 75% block and 50k Ar you would only be hitting this pala once in every twelve attack or to say 1 time pr. ww for a two weapon using barb with highest fpa :p
     
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    but just one fireball would kill him......... hahaha
     
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    mugentim IncGamers Member

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    wouldn't a eth, spire helm have more def ?
     
  10. Jek

    Jek IncGamers Member

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    Prebuf Holy Shield? Use Defiance of your own with defensive skillers - have a nice Prayer+Salvation ready against other chars than melee, and use a beast weapon for smite, or maybe Grief Phase?
     
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    Lazy_BerZerker Banned

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    The good thing about the paladin is his flexibility :p You could get a lot higher than the example with prebuffing and so on, it is just that, if an attacker with 50k of AR only hits in 1 out of 12 then you already have plenty.

    You shouldn't max salvation due to dimishing returns, but yes it is a good idea with aura providing items (Beast, Exile), so you'll have fana and defiance, then you could go in bear mode, drop the dex, go for max block with lots of vita aso. Using a lvl 5 oak from natures peace with lots of prebuffing + skills and stacking res could make you very hard to kill :p though you won't provide much damage I think :(
     
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    The barb would get +1more from BC.
     
  13. vdzele

    vdzele IncGamers Member

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    No it wouldn’t, because spire helm has max base armor class 159

    Ok let's tweak this pal a bit more. Prebufing holy shield level 46 (+2 helm; +3 amulet; +2 armor; +2 ring; +4 Astreon's; +2 shield; +1 belt; +10 charms) = +700%, with Barb’s battle command it will be +715%

    How about playing in a party with a pal with a higher defiance aura level 45 (+2 helm; +3 amulet; +2 armor; +2 ring; +3 Hoto; +2 shield; +1 belt; +10 charms) = 510%, with Barb’s battle command it will be +520%

    Battle commanding first than shouting will raise shout bit more: +510%

    Total Defense Rating = 8353 x [1 + 715 / 100 (holy shield) + 300 / 100 (synergy) + 520 / 100 (defiance) + 200 / 100 (weapon) + 100 / 100 (shrine) + 510 / 100 (shout)]
    Total Defense Rating = 8353 x (1 + 7.15 + 3 + 5.2 + 2 + 1 + 5.1)
    Total Defense Rating = 8353 x 26.45
    Total Defense Rating = 220936 (now he is a hard liner)

    I will try to calc a char with the highest AR later.
     
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    Liquid_Evil IncGamers Member

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    What is the most defense that can be expected of a decent all-around paladin though?

    CoA- Ber Ber (380)
    Eth Sacred Stone (3500)
    Exile Eth Vortex (1000)
    Verdungo's (130)
    Eth Sandstorm Trek (300)
    Metalgrid (320)
    Steelrend (250)
    Charms and Dex (200)
    = 6080

    Prebuff Holy Shield
    +5 Sceptor (+2 Paladin Skills, +3 Holy Shield-- if they can't spawn with these mods assume a Hoto +3)
    +4 HoZ
    +3 Combat Skill Amulet
    +2 Two BK's
    +1 Arachnid Mesh
    +10 Combat
    +1 Annihilus
    = +26+20

    Level 46 Holy Shield (with lvl 20 defiance synergy) is a 1000% Defense Bonus.
    Now couple that with the 6080 base defense and then factor in the lvl 16 Defiance on the Exile.

    What could a standard fighting Paladin realistically hope to achieve in the way of defense?
     
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    vdzele IncGamers Member

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    Off course nothing, the real point off all this stuff is to show how high you can get. Nobody seriously would create such a character except for those enthusiastic who are bored and got all those duped runes and now they don’t know what to do.

    uuff ... forgot to put the mighty Ani in to my inventor instead of one SC... and that HoZ gives +4 when prebufing ... naaahhh
     
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    Lazy_BerZerker Banned

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    I think the best palas have about 40k of defence at level 86 or something like that. So versus a level 86 barb the barb would need 40 Ar to hit 1 pr. 2 attack.

    Most palas don't wear eth stone I think since it'll break, and enigma is more or less a must unless you've some kind of godly amulet.
     
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    Use superior armor/helm etc. :)
     
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    Hey folks - wanna get to 100K+?

    Be a Weretemplar! :thumbsup:
     
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    Wonder were Tor's guide to a defiant smiter went? it was really good, one of the most defensive char's ive ever seen.
    tor cant you rewrite/repost it? :).
    cause i think that char get's the nr.2 spot in defence :D
     
  20. DarkLorDarglebargle

    DarkLorDarglebargle IncGamers Member

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    If you could get around 80k def , with smite, youd own all melee.
     

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