How to get 4.8k life on my smiter? Help Please.

CdMagicFind

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It's not the same. Runes are just different. Sure, they may be gotten using the same methods but they're more standard. They already have preset stats while rares can all be different and.. "unique". Oh, and don't give me the whole "duping means they're the same". I personally have two legit HR's in the cube. But this is getting off topic so only this paragraph to that part.

Wisp projector?
Yeap. =] Light absorb for WW Sins and a lv 2 Oak Sage that should give you a nice life boost.

Unfortunately though, I think the only way is a ring switch or a helm switch. Since CoA is > Shako, the only thing that might help is an Oak. But you are losing.. 28 vita and 37 life (basically 121). So not so sure how much it would add, if any.



 

Ouallada

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Of course I could, but micro actions like that are overshadowed by macro actions. It is just like fighting commercialism. If a company mass produces a product very cheaply, does a person who individually finds components to put that product together for sale insist on his ways or does he accept the growing trend? These dupers are no different from GAP or Nike, who outsource to cheap lobour and mass produce cheaply. Will your traditional shoe maker insist on his ways? That is idealistic.

Of course, the option to remain dupe-free exists, and I have made a lot of legit runewords. That is not the point. The point is that one is inefficient. I use whatever the economy gives me in order to be subsistent and survive. Hrs are to your Fletches and Slippers what a bus is to a 10-ft limo. Neither is necessary, but saying that you can always walk instead of taking a bus is silly.

dupeing, and thus controlling the currency supply is not done by a duley elected "higher authority", as fiscal policy is in the real world.
There is no focus on the election part. The focus is on the point that fiscal policy is something out of our hands, as is "dupeing", as you call it. As is commercialism. As is globalisation. You live with it, not against it. Does someone who is rooted in tradition reject globalisation by sitting in a well? Possible, but inefficient.

Runes have become the currency they are BECAUSE of dupeing. i mean come on, if you found a Ber rune, would you trade it off for 20pgems?
Runes are currency because of their size. Currency needs to be small to be currency, because of smaller denominations. 20life scs are currency too. Does not mean they are duped.

And of course I am not going to sell a legit ber for 20pgems. I would make that legit nigma or socket that legit coa. And no, if the economy were free of dupes, bers would not go for 20pgems. That point of yours does not impose controls on your situational analysis. If there were no dupes, lower runes would be used as currency.


you admit to knowingly useing dupes, kindly do not claim to have a Legit Character. you have one that is "perm" it is NOT Legit unless it can survive a Full Ruststorm.
Would it make you feel better if I was completely legit and would survive a full ruststorm? All I need to do is siwtch in a nigma and exile that I know are completely legit, and socket the Pcoa with legit bers. If it makes you feel better, assume that I will do so.


Yeap. =] Light absorb for WW Sins and a lv 2 Oak Sage that should give you a nice life boost.

Unfortunately though, I think the only way is a ring switch or a helm switch. Since CoA is > Shako, the only thing that might help is an Oak. But you are losing.. 28 vita and 37 life (basically 121). So not so sure how much it would add, if any.
Is oak BM? Some feel it is, or hdins will be casting it all the time.

I am at about 4600 life now. I guess if I level up a couple of levels, and maybe switch cleglaws with bloodfist or ww for treks, I could do it?
 

CdMagicFind

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..TBA?

You should be able to get about 100 by doing that.

Cleglaw's out for Bloodfist gives you 40 pre-BO. Assuming you switch the need for Str and Dex when you out Treks and put in WW, you should get 20 life with a perfect one. So 60 life there should get you about 100 after BO.

I think Wisp would make the biggest difference. But I really don't know the equation for it all, sorry. I would just get a crappy wisp and try to Oak Sage and see what it adds/subtracts.

And I don't know about it being BM, maybe a few people complaining but it's not ridiculously BM AFAIK.
 

Summerfun

Diabloii.Net Member
That Lvl 2 Oak is so not worth it! It will die so fast. Go for blood fists.
Cleglaws are not great on smiters anyway, where do u see the slow help you?
If you are thinking about smite vs smite any descent smiter will have enough ias to totaly ignore that slow. Blood fists 30 fhr and life is about the best choice for pvp on a smiter.
 

Ouallada

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Won't cleglaws' slow help with HF flashes? For smite v smite a lot will come down to gear and playstlye I feel, as well as range. Smiters who don't stack ias and who use griefz will probably get screwed by HF.

Assuming you switch the need for Str and Dex when you out Treks and put in WW, you should get 20 life with a perfect one.
I was going for the defense though. Yeah the 15 dex would become vita, but I lose the FHR as well, and have to make it up elsewhere. I also lose the nice def that eth treks have.
 

SicHalo

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That Lvl 2 Oak is so not worth it! It will die so fast. Go for blood fists.
Cleglaws are not great on smiters anyway, where do u see the slow help you?
If you are thinking about smite vs smite any descent smiter will have enough ias to totaly ignore that slow. Blood fists 30 fhr and life is about the best choice for pvp on a smiter.
slow helps in smite vs smite especially ba users, vs zons vs barbs + holyfreeze and good tele smiting.



 

Reow

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If you cna't get a hold of pcomb lifers.. Then just get yourself some plain and use 20/5s.. or just.. 20 lifer scs :)
 

Ouallada

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I have a set of high ones btwn 35-45, but all on my mage. How would they help me to reach 4.8 k if I cant reach 4.8k with 37 x vita/mod scs? I might prebuff my HS a little with hoz, pcomb ammy and maybe shako or a pcomb helm though. :)
 

mainaman

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how much strdid you have to use for your gear?
my tele smiter who usesd st exile/spirit, had 4.9k life and with +3/95 life amu he had 5050 or so life. he used life/res scs, a fhr pcombat,44,43,41 pcombat lifers. Pretty much unless you have 45 lifers, perf amu (2/20dext/30str/60 life ) you will not reach 5k life.
really you dont even need 5k to win in svs duels, just get ed/ar exile for obvios reasons.
 

Ouallada

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My build looks something like this:
Pcoa (berber)
Ap Nigma
16 defiance/45res ev exile
Grief PB
2pally/27str/10dex/43life/lr/cr ammy
20dex raven
14str/14dex/37life/80+mana/res ring (I used this because I dont need the extra str)
Cleglaws
40/15 dungos
Eth Treks
20 stat anni and torch
That is my build. CoA is the highest str barrier at 174.
Base + 40 (torch/annI) + 14 (ring) + 27 (ammy) + 15 treks = 121. I will then equip nigma and wear CoA from there.

I had to put some into dex because of pb: Base + 40 + 14 + 10 + 20 = 104

I need 32 points into dex.

So, at lvl 90, I will have 25base vita + 428 vita from stats.

Can you tell me the difference btwn your gear and mine, besides that the ring is not 15dex and the ammy not 20dex? Those are hard to find on lad.

Well, this guy is mainly for melee duels, against other chars which need ar to hit, hence me wanting a high defense. Against smite, I will change to a ed/ar eth exile or an eth 2os/ar/ed/fhr/2pal/deflecting shield if I ever get one.
 

mainaman

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Ouallada

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i ha
coa ber/ber
st exile/spirit
dracks/ arach or dungos
waterwalks, raven/fcr ring or second raven
4 pcombats -fhr/44/43/41
rest 20/res, or plain 20 lifers
amulet maras, 3pcombat/94 life
also at some point i had 2/str/dext/life/res amulet.

I dug up s/s of my smiter with hoz and exile you can see stats:
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i9...smiter-hoz.jpg -with hoz
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i9...iter-exile.jpg --with exile
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Hey man, do you use grief pb? Seems like you are holding something else. Doom? Your dex is only 105. Do you have max block with that, or is that your life setup? As in, you throw in other dex items, like rfrost and so on to reach max block? Without shako, would drop 100+ min, more if there is a jah in there.

Maras would give you 2 to BO, but would it be superior to a rare like the one I am using?

By the way, thanks for the responses.
 

Ce Olba

Banned
Now, let's see.

Your amulet is superior to any amulets out there, as effectively it gives +154 life, which is more than a magical 3/100 one.

As for your stats, let's see.

136 - 40 - 20 - 10 - 14 = 52 dex
174 - 40 - 27 - 14 - 68 = 25, as in base STR

As for your +life, with the following gear:
CoA
Enigma
WWs
Dungo
Raven + that rare ring
Rare amulet
Bloodfists
37* 20's
spirit
6bo CTA

At lvl 90, your life would be this:
(((((89*5)+15-52-11+45)*3)+55+740+60+40+43+65+37+178)*1.73)+(3 * 80) =
((((445 +15 - 52 - 11 + 45) * 3) + 1218) * 1.73) + 240 =
(((442 * 3) + 1218) * 1.73) + 240 =
((1326 + 1218) * 1.73) + 240 =
(2544 * 1.73) + 240 =
4401 + 240 =
4641

As for how Mainaman manages over 5000 life, he either has less dex or is using a Grief BA.

Somehow I don't see you reaching 5 000 life.

Also, it's not even necessary for you to reach 5 000 life in anything except Smite v Smite and when you are totally out-skilled by people, which will happen rarely if you practice your skills a lot for a long time.

Anyways, a Smiter is not, by far, the best anti-melee. One of the reasons is just the fact that it's melee itself. I would say that a Bonemancer is the best anti-melee by quite a far. They have the ability to win over any melee at any time if they just want it and there are only a few that can have a chance of victory if they do a whatever-it-takes duel.

Also a few notes:
With a Shako, you would reach 4943 life. With that, you would have 41% PDR though. Also, as long as you are using CoA and Grief PB, Shadowdancers are the best boots you got: they give the most effective life. With Shadowdancers, you would have 5025 life.

So, you can get over and quite close to 5000 life indeed.
 
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Ouallada

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Hmm, thanks for taking the time to go through the calculations, Olba. Lemme see if I can reproduce the results:

If I swap treks for WW and cleglaws for bloodfist, something which I am reluctant to do, I will have the following:

Str = 25 (base) +27 (ammy) + 14 (ring) + 40 (torch/anni) = 106 str (w/o nig)
Dex = 20 (base) + 20 (raven) + 14 (ring) + 10 (ammy) + 40 (torch/anni) + 15(WW) = 119 (need at least 17 for grief pb)
Vita = 89 x 5 + 15 -17 = 443 vita (without dungos torch anni)

Bo-able life = 443 x 3(stats) + 37(ring) + 43(ammy) + 65(ww) + 60(bird) + 178(clvl) + 40 (bloodfist) + 740(charms) = 2492
Non bo-able life = 80 x 3 = 240

Bo lvl = 14 = 74% extra = 1.74 times

Someone told me that the 5% from nigma goes into bo, thus:

Total life = (2492 x (1.74+0.05)) + 240 = 4700

Is that correct? Still falls a little short though. I need to go level up a bit more I think.
 

Ce Olba

Banned
Hmm, thanks for taking the time to go through the calculations, Olba. Lemme see if I can reproduce the results:

If I swap treks for WW and cleglaws for bloodfist, something which I am reluctant to do, I will have the following:

Str = 25 (base) +27 (ammy) + 14 (ring) + 40 (torch/anni) = 106 str (w/o nig)
Dex = 20 (base) + 20 (raven) + 14 (ring) + 10 (ammy) + 40 (torch/anni) + 15(WW) = 119 (need at least 17 for grief pb)
Vita = 89 x 5 + 15 -17 = 443 vita (without dungos torch anni)

Bo-able life = 443 x 3(stats) + 37(ring) + 43(ammy) + 65(ww) + 60(bird) + 178(clvl) + 40 (bloodfist) + 740(charms) = 2492
Non bo-able life = 80 x 3 = 240

Bo lvl = 14 = 74% extra = 1.74 times

Someone told me that the 5% from nigma goes into bo, thus:

Total life = (2492 x (1.74+0.05)) + 240 = 4700

Is that correct? Still falls a little short though. I need to go level up a bit more I think.
Yup, seems quite correct. Also, I made a slight mistake in the previous calculations, not taking into account the 15 dex of WWs, so feel free to ignore them.



 

mainaman

Diabloii.Net Member
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Hey man, do you use grief pb? Seems like you are holding something else. Doom? Your dex is only 105. Do you have max block with that, or is that your life setup? As in, you throw in other dex items, like rfrost and so on to reach max block? Without shako, would drop 100+ min, more if there is a jah in there.

Maras would give you 2 to BO, but would it be superior to a rare like the one I am using?

By the way, thanks for the responses.
im holding zerk grief, but i had 2 diff set ups, 20 ias gloves for zerk and also pb set up. I didnt pay attn , but these s/s are with shako on thus the high life.
If you use CoA, you can obtain 5k+ life with pretty much perf life /stat amulet, and pef life/dext fcr ring , maybe classic str/dext boots .
As ceolba mentioned , you really don't need to have 5k life to be able to be competitive, 4.6k is pretty good imo.

As for how Mainaman manages over 5000 life, he either has less dex or is using a Grief BA.
I dont remember what my mulet was then , but something in the lines of 50 life and 20 dext . for sure mu fcr ring was this one:
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i95/mainaman/ring1.jpg

i don't have it anymore but i keep a s/s of it as i think its pretty much one of the top rings ever to spawn on east.
so i have used 67 stats pts in dext and maybe 15 ish in str (for coa).
Anyway 5k life with CoA is obtainable but requires a bit of extreme jewelry for that.



 
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