How to get 4.8k life on my smiter? Help Please.

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Ouallada

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How to get 4.8k life on my smiter? Help Please.

I am starting to build an anti-melee smiter, which will also be levelled high enough to have decent holy freeze and resist auras, so that I can switch auras for casters in pubs. I have read everywhere that smiters can hit like 5k life, or even 4.8k life easily, but I just cannot seem to do so. I do not condone the use of dupes, so slippers and shanks are out for me. I may also be a bit rusty on smiters, as I have not had one since the Astreon smiter days.

My build looks something like this:
Pcoa (berber)
Ap Nigma
16 defiance/45res ev exile
Grief PB
2pally/27str/10dex/43life/lr/cr ammy
20dex raven
14str/14dex/37life/80+mana/res ring (I used this because I dont need the extra str)
Cleglaws
40/15 dungos
Eth Treks
20 stat anni and torch

I am using treks and not a rare or waterwalks because I am going for at least 50k def. I am not exactly sure how the extra life from nigma is factored (before or after BO) so I will list my planned raw stats, and hope someone can make sense of them.

At lvl 90:
460 free stat points
0 into str
0 into energy
I have 104 dex from base and gear (20 base, 20raven, 14 ring, 10ammy, 40 torch/anni). I will need at least 136 for PB, maybe more for max block. So take away 32 points into dex at least.
Rest into vita: This means 428 into vita, added to 25 base, giving 453 vita without torch/anni. I am not sure if base vita can be bo-ed, but iirc it can, and so I will leave the figures as they stand. The same applies for the clvl life bonus, which I assume is bo-able too.

Thus my bo-able life will be: 453x3 + 60(bird) + 89 x 2(clvl) + 43(ammy) + 37(ring) + 37x20(vita scs/res or def to hi 50k) = 2357

Non-bo-able life = 40x3(dungoes)+45(treks)+ 40x3(torch/anni) = 285

Assuming no prebuff, my bo level will be 14 with this normal setup, which is 1.74 to bo-able life. This gives 1.74 x 2357 = 4101.18 (must round down)

If the 5% from nigma is added to BO (ie 1.79times), my life will be 4504.03.
If the 5% is added to total life BEFORE BO, my life will be 4605.49
If the 5% is added to total life AFTER BO, my life will be 4605.49

If I prebuff with a maras/shako/spider/dual bk or soj, which I will not, but am just throwing out there, my life will be either 4928.29 or 5050.97.

Either way, I still cannot reach those levels without a massive pre-buff, which I cant be bothered to do, or by levelling. How do experienced smiters get to 4.8k? This is a question both of necessity and curiosity. Thanks for any answers.
 
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PhuQ

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WW +65 life
Bloodfists +40 life
3 pc +100 life ammy
prebuff
Shako Pruby (+36 I believe) / Jah
Jahed HoZ (+50)

etc etc
 
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Ouallada

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Bloodfists is possible, but some smiters make it to 4.8 with the above setup. A prebuff would definitely get me to about 5k life, but shako is for the life setup, and is inferior to coa when against melee characters. The thing is that I am trying to walk a thin line, by achieving very high defense and very high life too. hence the treks and so on. If I were to use WW, I would reach 4.8 I reckon due to saved str and the 65life + bo, but I cant hit 50k def with it.
 
SmittySixTen

SmittySixTen

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You didn't mention charms anywhere. What are you using for them? Because you're a smiter you only really need to fill in extra res that you're missing and life. Pcombats are nice, but hardly needed at all. IMHO an inventory with enough FHR to get you to the 86 FHR, 4 frame breakpoint, extra res to make up for what you're missing from equips, and a bunch of life charms goes much further for a smiter than any skill GC will. Also, if you’re aiming for 50k def you need defense charms in your inventory. It’s not a question of if, period.

Just to give you an example of what I mean with the defense factor. My pally uses:
Perf def, 15ed AP Enigma with +773 def
390+ def CoA (can't remember exact def)
1503 def Eth glitched Zakarum Shield Exile with a lvl 16 Defiance aura
244 def Eth Treks

He has maxed Holy Shield and Defiance as well. I also have a few defense charms in my inventory. All this taken into account, as well as a BK ring and spirit shield on switch with my CtA for extra skills, he STILL only reaches 43k def.

Just my two cents, but I think that heavy attention on your inventory is the only way to reach both your life and defense goal. You’ll likely only be able to reach one at first, for that matter.


EDIT: Let me rephrase. You could possibly reach both if you have all 40+ life Pcombat lifers. However, that's not an easy task, and you will sacrifice the ability to easily change charms around or upgrade if needed.

Versatility > High Numbers. Again, just MHO.
 
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Ouallada

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My nigma will be similar. My exile will be 16xx at least, and my treks will be at least similar.

My charms will all be life scs with def or res, depending. I will max HS and defiance as well. If I prebuff, it will be with pcomb helm and ammy, + hoz and hopefully a hs scepter + spider, bk etc.

COA and treks give 50fhr. With 50+k def and max block I should not be getting hit much, esp if I flash HF smartly. With the above gear, I get about 40+k def, not counting charms and taking imperfect gears. May need to prebuff a little.
 
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PhuQ

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you know, 40k def or 50k def is almost the same, but 4300 and 4800 is huge difference...

the +5% is added to +bo% life
 
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Ouallada

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I am already getting 4600+ with the current setup, with max dr too. This is unless my calculations aboce are all wrong. Which is why i was asking how normal smiters reach the 4.8k. If it is by wearing bloodfist, i could do that, but cleglaws is better against melee. If it is with ww, I have to make up the 20fhr and def from treks elsewhere. If I prebuffed my HS, it would be 50+k, no question, but I am more interested in the 4.8life atm, and whether the only difference is in the gloves/boots.

When is the 5% max life from nigma factored in anyway?
 
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Ouallada

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My Pcoa is legit. Let me rephrase myself then. For HRs, I don't have a choice. Of course I could use only legit runes to make my stuff, but I lump all my runes together. From an economic point of view, governments worldwide use fiscal and monetary policies to peg exchange rates. There is the element of increasing or decreasing money supply to achieve certain interest rates. Just because a higher authority or a higher power is using money supply to its own ends, do we cry out and stop using money? Runes are to the game what money is to our society. Not using them because they are dupes is just like the hermit who does not want to come out of his shell because the world has passed him by. We are parts of a macroeconomy and we go along with its whims. Not the other way around.

For duped rings/ammys/boots and so on, they are not a form of currency. They are not an absolute economic factor in the game that I have no control over. They are not currency. They are merely a shortcut to pvp perfection. Huge difference.
 
redtan

redtan

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Charms are your friend. Since you don't really need pcombs, fill up every last spot in your inventory with 20 life (or less if you cant find those) small charms with secondary mods like res. Each one of those will net you around 37-40 life depending on your BO level. So 40 life x 30 of them = 1200 life.
 
Uncle_Mike

Uncle_Mike

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Just a small note - duped items are not welcome here and so is discussing them. This is aimed at no particular person - just a reminder of the rules :thumbsup:
 
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Ouallada

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Just a small note - duped items are not welcome here and so is discussing them. This is aimed at no particular person - just a reminder of the rules
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The stuff I am using is entirely legit, except the hrs, which I cannot account for. If this was because of my analogy earlier, my apologies.

Actually, the numbers I ran took 37 x 20life scs into account. I still fall short, as you all can see. 4500+ life with this setup, unless I go for a massive prebuff. Can anyone with a smiter with like 4.8 life post setup so I can see where we differ?
 
CdMagicFind

CdMagicFind

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You could try wisp, possibly.

My recommendation is just to make him though. Even at around 80 it should tell you rough estimates of what his stats are going to be like.
 
SmittySixTen

SmittySixTen

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Hyphy said:
lol hi shako
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I've used both a Shako and CoA. The CoA is superior. The DR from a CoA makes up for any life you'd get from the Shako, and it gives you fhr. Plus you get res, which you do still need regardless of what other equips you're using.

I know a lot of people say that a Shako is superior for a smiter, but I will argue that opinion adamantly.



 
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mephiztophelez

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Ouallada said:
My Pcoa is legit. Let me rephrase myself then. For HRs, I don't have a choice. Of course I could use only legit runes to make my stuff, but I lump all my runes together. From an economic point of view, governments worldwide use fiscal and monetary policies to peg exchange rates. There is the element of increasing or decreasing money supply to achieve certain interest rates. Just because a higher authority or a higher power is using money supply to its own ends, do we cry out and stop using money? Runes are to the game what money is to our society. Not using them because they are dupes is just like the hermit who does not want to come out of his shell because the world has passed him by. We are parts of a macroeconomy and we go along with its whims. Not the other way around.

For duped rings/ammys/boots and so on, they are not a form of currency. They are not an absolute economic factor in the game that I have no control over. They are not currency. They are merely a shortcut to pvp perfection. Huge difference.
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i completely disagree with this statement. you DO have the choice to NOT use duped HR's open to you. it's called: find them yourself or cube them up from runes you know to be legit.

the use of duped hr's is the same "shortcut to pvp perfection" as the use of duped amulets/rings etc.

remember: the "higher authorities" your refferring to that are "controlling the supply of currency" are dupers. the same dupers that dupe Armageddon Slippers etc are dupeing High Runes. up until recently this could include any player with a necro and access to the skills Bonewall and Poison Nova.

dupeing, and thus controlling the currency supply is not done by a duley elected "higher authority", as fiscal policy is in the real world. Dupeing is done by the lazy in search of a "shortcut to pvp perfection." or by the greedy in search of a quick buck by selling their dupes to the lazy via itamz sites. Runes have become the currency they are BECAUSE of dupeing. i mean come on, if you found a Ber rune, would you trade it off for 20pgems?

you admit to knowingly useing dupes, kindly do not claim to have a Legit Character. you have one that is "perm" it is NOT Legit unless it can survive a Full Ruststorm.



 
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