Yeah I have friends who build such smiters too. I was inspired by that in my other thread. Anyway, such smiters are simply concentrated melee killers, but they do extremely well against barbs. I still say doom flashes are a good way for the barb. A fool's axe with 40ias + cruel would work, but those with 2os are mythical. A perfect display is needed, and may not be enough. Just grab the hdin or bone necro.
How to beat a GG Smiter with my WW Barb
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mainaman
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i have tested agains a smiter made to kill barbs , i had 40k ar and still couldn't beat him , once life tap triggers its over....
kohlman
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dont forget that when you hace less frw with WW you hit more per WW due to the same amount of hits/second over the same distance, but slower rate of travel. This still benefits the smiter because he has "always hits" but at least you get more chances to get hits in.
This is true that when u stay in range longer you get more hit checks but it does not work like this vs a smiter setup like i mentioned. I faced a smiter setup like this and went 50/50 as anytime i slipped up with whirls u could collect like 3-4 smites due to the immense slow+ hf and chances are lifetap triggers meaning you simply get leeched from.
The best chance i found was using enigma with forti i got riped in seconds -.-as you simply do not have enough frw with forti.
I dont know about mainaman but my setup i justed used angelic + grief + beast combo vs this and was ok not to mention a smiter like this has 10% more slow and better dr due to our realm belt sporting 20% pdr + slow and other usefull mods.
mainaman
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i dueled mcm on d2pk, i used perf fools moded zerk + beast+angelics+echant, he had 63k def clegs+ hf flashes.
id hit him pretty well but as soon as life tap triggered i was doomed. I am pretty sure that if the smiter starts using widowmaker on switch it will be pretty much impossible to kill.
if smiter wants life tap you can use it too. it doest matter if he can tp smite or not when you can do near perfect wws, you can just wear him down with massive ow its like 100% with 4ums in each axe and dracs, if he use widow even better stick to him and he wont even have a chance to use it
Everythings been covered in this thread pretty much.
If its a regular smiter or v/t the duel is by far in the barb's favor, but if its a high def build with tap that suddenly becomes a very difficult duel.
Im not sure if the barb can win overall in a set if the pally is a good widowmaker user to lure the barb in for smite but those are very very few and most smiter players would get owned trying to use widow.
Does mcm play d2pk anymore? I havent seen him on in forever. =\ Kinda wanna duel him now that I play barb.
My tactic is to use 2x angelics and 300%/fools UmUm axe. 28k ar with axe/beast. 85% ow total with dracs/gores, holyfreeze flash with 2x doom on switch. I give up some 32020s in favor of 320/5frw scs.
I tend not to have trouble with any smiters but that may just be Im not facing too many players who are properly dueling against barbs.
If I wanted to tip the scales more against smiters I'd probably stash more 320/5frw charms, but I dont have room for that at the moment with a "vs all" stash filled up.
If its a regular smiter or v/t the duel is by far in the barb's favor, but if its a high def build with tap that suddenly becomes a very difficult duel.
Im not sure if the barb can win overall in a set if the pally is a good widowmaker user to lure the barb in for smite but those are very very few and most smiter players would get owned trying to use widow.
Does mcm play d2pk anymore? I havent seen him on in forever. =\ Kinda wanna duel him now that I play barb.
My tactic is to use 2x angelics and 300%/fools UmUm axe. 28k ar with axe/beast. 85% ow total with dracs/gores, holyfreeze flash with 2x doom on switch. I give up some 32020s in favor of 320/5frw scs.
I tend not to have trouble with any smiters but that may just be Im not facing too many players who are properly dueling against barbs.
If I wanted to tip the scales more against smiters I'd probably stash more 320/5frw charms, but I dont have room for that at the moment with a "vs all" stash filled up.
28k isnt enough for this kind of high def smiter, you need all the ar you can get. your winning chance will be relying on high% ow and high ar, maybe socket a nef in one of the fool's axes would help
Kinda hard to get more ar without enchanting and I dont use any type of buff.
2x angelics, 33 of my small charms are 3/20/x, fools axe @ level 99. I don't think its worth it to give up dungos/gores for hsarus, 08 arreats could possibly help but at the moment Im using dungos/coa for 50 dr to minimize how much the smiter heals whenever he does tap.
No way to really crank out more ar without buffing.
2x angelics, 33 of my small charms are 3/20/x, fools axe @ level 99. I don't think its worth it to give up dungos/gores for hsarus, 08 arreats could possibly help but at the moment Im using dungos/coa for 50 dr to minimize how much the smiter heals whenever he does tap.
No way to really crank out more ar without buffing.
Summerfun
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The barb will allways have thu upperhand! if he know how to desync ww, then any smiter are done!
I play smiter my self and i know what im talking about. 95% of all bvc are just crap but.
Every now and then comes along a barb that actually knows how to play, and the you are dead meat
I play smiter my self and i know what im talking about. 95% of all bvc are just crap but.
Every now and then comes along a barb that actually knows how to play, and the you are dead meat
mainaman
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you really have no idea what you are talking about.
no Max he quit , he laggs too much. I remade barb by the way new name Krums.
As for the smiters you met they cant win against bvc, unless especially built for that match up. At least I haven't met a smiter that i can't beat (when i don't lag ofc).
I also changed my charm set up i got me 20x36/20 so now with fcr rings i have ~8.5k ar, and with ravens~11k. It definetely(jeez I always misspell that word) was worth the change.
not true, barb cant beat 50+k def smiter easy no matter what. once tap triggers its a lost cause. you using clegs+ hf slows them so much that its free hits . if they try hit and run you use widowmaker and hit them from far. All this has been tested and it works believe me, and the smiter wans't even playing to full potential due to mass lag most of the time.
mainaman
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Josiphos
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I said this exactly like 2 pages ago, but someone laughed and called me noob.
Lt+ Smiter = Barb loses
It's not that simple. If it was that simple, then there was no way a barbarian would even win versus a smiter who has any Life Tap at all. But of course that's not the case. You don't have to go and over-simplify it that much, specially when it's wrong. That will only be true if you are talking about a smiter that has excessively high defense, some slow% and of course, Life Tap. And such smiters are quite rare since most smiters do not realize the power of slow versus barbarians.
Hehe, once my melee-killer smiter is ready I will go test it against all ar based characters.
Anyway Olba, I agree that it isnt that simple, but I think what Josiphos was doing was to succinctly summarise what we all already know, that a smiter built that way would be expected to win against a barb. All power to the barb pros around though, if they can take down such smiters.
Anyway Olba, I agree that it isnt that simple, but I think what Josiphos was doing was to succinctly summarise what we all already know, that a smiter built that way would be expected to win against a barb. All power to the barb pros around though, if they can take down such smiters.