How to beat a GG Smiter with my WW Barb

[Barrere]

How to beat a GG Smiter with my WW Barb

Hi... I have a pvp ww barb who kick ***...

6k life
37k def
24k Ar
8500WW Damage(with no sheild)

No matter what i do GG smiters whoop me...
I can beat every class ez but gg smiters that use life tap and everything own me... what should i do to beat them?

btw:

I use
ebotdcb
steelrends
gores
eth arreats
eth fort
angelics (rings + ammy)
dungos


any1 got any tips?

 

[Ouallada]

First thing that comes to mind is DR. If you had a shield, like most bvbs do, you would be using SS, which would save you against smiters.

Next would be doom.

Why ebotdcb? And eth fort?

 

[Barrere]

eth fort for def (3350 def fort) but i just found out smite doesnt care about def it hits everytime... also why is doom better than botd for smiters?

 

[Ouallada]

I was asking why an eth fort when it will spoil, unless it is the zod-bugged kind? Technically, bvbs like yours should have a shield. Ebotdcb works fine with a shield, as it saves a lot of stat points and does not need fanaticism for ias, but it is inferior as a dual wielding barb. Grief and beast are the best choices, but you may want to switch in doom if you have trouble against smiters. Use it on switch if you are good with HF flashes, and on main if you are not confident.

 

[Barrere]

well:

my eth fort i only use for gfg duels when i need the extra 12kdef and when it gets to 1 dura im going to sell it as merc armor and then i iwll just make a new one, accually i have one as backup already made...

and i didnt realize smite was physical damage so i iwll start using my ss for the damage reduction...

ill try out the ss and see if i do any better.


also off topic: i just bought 6 20 life 3 max damage scs for 14hrs... what are they worth individually?

 

[Uncle_Mike]

also off topic: i just bought 6 20 life 3 max damage scs for 14hrs... what are they worth individually?

dunno, ask in trade values forum :hide:

:wink3:

 

[TheBe]

Also, if smiter is telesmiter (like all good ones are), just make random ww's, so they can't guess where you are going. Also, don't make your ww's too long/short. You will learn how to do it after some duels.

If he is 1 of those stupid shift-smiters, just ww around them (so they can't hit you) and let your 1pt higher range kill them. If they are using Ba's, keep dual dooms on switch and slow them.

Also make sure you have good dr (try to get 50%).

 

[Barrere]

cool thx guys

 

[Ouallada]

Double doom is BM by a lot of standards though. Be careful about that. Use Hsarus for more AR too. Also, I seriously do not see the point in the eth fort. Is there really a need for that?

Well, bvbs have max block as well, so depending on how you already allocated your stats, you may or may not have achieved it. Anyway, triangular whirls work against stupid smiters, but against better ones whirl away when they tele, make seemingly random whirls, like going towards them and whirling away to the side. Keep the smiter second guessing, desync a little with your whirls and you should beat most smiters, besides those which were built simply to kill characters like yours

 

[Josiphos]

well:

and i didnt realize smite was physical damage so i iwll start using my ss for the damage reduction...

errmmm...what else would it be?


Magic?

Good lord can you imagine a Berserk-Smite combo? Nothing would beat smiters...

 

[Ouallada]

Stop giving Blizz ideas!

 

[TheBe]

Double doom is BM by a lot of standards though. Be careful about that. Use Hsarus for more AR too. Also, I seriously do not see the point in the eth fort. Is there really a need for that?

I really hate that word "bm". It's pretty much just said by people, so can't beat you. You could also say Exile is bm (isn't it actually?). Or meaby even smite is bm cause it doesn't need ar?

 

[Ouallada]

I'm not going to go into a discussion on ethics, but the effect that exile has on a smite/barb duel are nowhere close to the effects that double doom bring into the picture. Hoz does a great job even without exile. What else comes close to double doom flashes for barbs? Even then, I still feel that smiters built specifically for dismantling ar based characters get the job done pretty well.

 

[Josiphos]

I really hate that word "bm". It's pretty much just said by people, so can't beat you. You could also say Exile is bm (isn't it actually?). Or meaby even smite is bm cause it doesn't need ar?

Smite is not BM. Even with fort+phoenix.


But:
Smite PLUS GRIEF is banned in lots of places.


Smite plus grief plus exile = nearly impossible for barbs if smiter has skill and uses ba

 

[SicHalo]

First thing that comes to mind is DR. If you had a shield, like most bvbs do, you would be using SS, which would save you against smiters.

Next would be doom.

Why ebotdcb? And eth fort?

shield is about the worst idea to come up with..

Why?

A. Shield give block and defense which is completely useless vs a smiter as smite ignore defence and normal block.

B. Using smite u cripple ur overal damage output as using a grief+beast obviously gives much more dmg. than weap + shield.

C. Dr is easily attained from other sources such as COA berber+ Dungos belt.

Also your barb is not kick ***

draculs>steels
grief>ebotd
BA>CB

Also to beat a smiter if ur good enough u do not need any DR at all to beat majority of pub class smiters, it more in the technique of whirlwind.

Clipping is a favorite as most pub class smiters tend to stand in one spot and shift+ smite.

How clipping works is u use ur supperior weapon range i.e cb in ur case is a range 3 weapon vs a pb that is range 2. U simply whirl past the smiter not through the smiter ut on the edge of the smiter this way when he smites it will not be in range and u will it the smiter however it will not hit you. If done properly u will rarely lose if ever to this type of smiter.

here is a small diagram on whirlwind path..

// whirlwind path
S smiter

xxxxxxx//x
xxxxx// Sx
xxxx//xxxx

If the smiter charges yor whirlwind it is automatically gg to you. as all you do is simply whirl away from the smiter as the smiter again is dissadvantaged as while charging you lose a block percentage so its auto hit for u vs this type of smiter.

 

[SicHalo]

Smite is not BM. Even with fort+phoenix.



Smite PLUS GRIEF is banned in lots of places.


Smite plus grief plus exile = autowin versus barbs

Lol vs noobs yes..

Only thing a smiter has going is an anti barb setup with decent tele smiting or a good smiter that can desync + tele smite well but even these can be overcome the worst by far is the anti barb setup..

wots your realm and acc btw?


edit

Just read the ba comment a bigger joke than that first statment ba vs barb...

you do this u are then ripped apart by any amout of slow including 2x dooms which is factored in all BvC type setups. hence why majority of smiters use pb...

 

[TheBe]

Smite is not BM. Even with fort+phoenix.


But:
Smite PLUS GRIEF is banned in lots of places.


Smite plus grief plus exile = nearly impossible for barbs if smiter has skill and uses ba

It was just example (meaby not good one, but still). Also exile has life tap, which can be quite annoying..

 

[Ouallada]

I am just saying that he is a bvb, and that they traditionally carry shields, and that if he had been carrying SS in the first place, the problem may not be so pronounced. The setup looks like it is torn between a bvc and a bvb. Im not saying that the shield will block smite. I am simply commenting on his setup. If a setup were to be conjured to deal with smiters, then switch from the traditional bvb setup from stash.

C. Dr is easily attained from other sources such as COA berber+ Dungos belt.

Also your barb is not kick ***

draculs>steels
grief>ebotd
BA>CB

Again, this is patently understood, which is why it begged the question of why he looked like a bvc in disguise. Rends and botd are used by a lot of bvbs.

Overall, it is a bit of a stretch to keep referring to shift-smite smiters, as those should not even be worth mentioning. CLipping is harder against tele-smiters. The barb still has the range advantage, but mistakes this time will be punished.

 

[SicHalo]

I am just saying that he is a bvb, and that they traditionally carry shields, and that if he had been carrying SS in the first place, the problem may not be so pronounced. The setup looks like it is torn between a bvc and a bvb. Im not saying that the shield will block smite. I am simply commenting on his setup. If a setup were to be conjured to deal with smiters, then switch from the traditional bvb setup from stash.



Again, this is patently understood, which is why it begged the question of why he looked like a bvc in disguise. Rends and botd are used by a lot of bvbs.

Overall, it is a bit of a stretch to keep referring to shift-smite smiters, as those should not even be worth mentioning. CLipping is harder against tele-smiters. The barb still has the range advantage, but mistakes this time will be punished.

so you may have excuse for rends but even rends OW is proven to be muh more effective than pure ed in bvb as ow at a highlvl does alot unresistable dmg over 8 seconds. Still grief>botd what ever way you look at it...

Even so going 2 hand with some dr coming off ur helm is better than a weap + shield.

Hence why i said a good or even decent tele smiter can give a barb some problems as the whole idea is with good tele smite u eliminate the range factor, and yes shift+ smite is a joke you lose to it once ok this is a mistake but more than once shows you do not know what ur doing which then means a tele+ smiter will rip you apart. Simple.

 

[Ouallada]

so you may have excuse for rends but even rends OW is proven to be muh more effective than pure ed in bvb as ow at a highlvl does alot unresistable dmg over 8 seconds. Still grief>botd what ever way you look at it...

Even so going 2 hand with some dr coming off ur helm is better than a weap + shield.

I agree with you 100%, as I have already indicated. I am just saying that he is a bvb but with a dual wield, which bvbs tend not to favour. A barb like his can switch to compete with a smiter, but saying that a weapon/shield is wrong is like saying a c/c sin is wrong, because they fail against auradins. Weapon/shield is simply inefficient against smite and hammers. It is not wrong, just incorrect for the abovementioned matchups.

Also, it is not an excuse. Why would I give excuses for his gear setups?

And yes, shift-smiters are a joke, which is why we compare with the more competent ones. Why take pleasure in destroying the easy matchups anyway?