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How out of date is our knowledge of skills?

Discussion in 'Wizard' started by Sylvanite, Sep 11, 2010.

  1. Sylvanite

    Sylvanite IncGamers Member

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    How out of date is our knowledge of skills?

    I was just looking at the wizard skills in the wiki, and trying to conceptualize (fantasize) about how I would play a primarily melee (or melee/ranged debuff a la warlock) style build for a wizard. It's pretty apparent that those skills are hella old. Most of them even still refer to mana, which the wizard hasn't had in FOREVER.

    So I guess what I'm asking is, is the wiki just not updated (which I doubt considering what a good job people do with it here), or is it more that we have NO idea what the current wizard skills really are, even with the fact that the wiz is playable in the current demos that get run at cons?

    Just curious if anyone had any more recent info on the skills the wizard is rocking currently.
     
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    Re: How out of date is our knowledge of skills?

    The next Blizzcon will hopefully provide us with an answer to some of the 'older' wizard skills. Knowing Blizzard, everything is possible :)
     
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    Re: How out of date is our knowledge of skills?

    There's been zero info released about wizard skills (or pretty much any character's skills) since last year's Blizzcon. Pages in the wiki have been updated when there's new info to update, like the Instability page, but I don't see the point in changing mentions of mana on the wizard skills when we'd just be guessing about any Instability effects?

    The only reason detailed wizard skill information exists, like anywhere outside of Blizzard, is b/c me and some others from IncGamers spent the time in the blizzcon press room to record the skill names and hover details for every skill in the game, and then typed them up and got fan help making those cool visual skill tree images. (Which are also now obsolete, but hey, that was expected.)

    I say this not to grub for thanks, but to point out that complete skill lists and detailed skill info is just not something Blizzard makes available, pre-release. Like, ever.
     
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    Re: How out of date is our knowledge of skills?

    I wasn't being accusatory, just inquisitive. As I said, you guys do a great job with the wiki. I just didn't know if in any of the builds people have played recently at conventions if anything different had been seen for wizards. I know Bliz won't be releasing too much skill info.

    Just looking to see if anything had been noticed that was different. I know they don't even have skill trees per se anymore so I didn't know if people who had played recently had noticed new stuff. Do the wizards in the playable demo still use mana and not the Arcane Power resource at this point? I'm sure I missed some of this though I try to be diligent :)
     
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    Re: How out of date is our knowledge of skills?

    No, there's been zero new wiz info, except about instability / arcane power, since last year's blizzcon. Last August! The same demo build from that show was at gamescom this year.

    Sadly, no one outside of blizzard ever even got to try out instability. It went in after blizzcon 2009, was in for a year or so, and is now gone. So I guess we've got to take their word that it didn't work, since we'll be using arcane power in this year's blizzcon demo.

    I'm expecting to see some huge skill changes this time, even if most of the big changes come from skill runes, which I can't see anyone having time to really experiment with, at blizzcon. that's a late game sort of feature anyway; comparing all the diff skills, with each type of skill rune, etc. it's too much new info too fast to really absorb, while playing a demo for 20 minutes.
     
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    Re: How out of date is our knowledge of skills?

    Surely though with your esteemed Media Pass you'll get more than 20 mins per play, and as such will be able to do a little "experimenting" as well as the usual jotting everything down that you do such a good job of? :thumbup:



     
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    Re: How out of date is our knowledge of skills?

    Presumably, but one never knows. The D3 machines are almost always busy in the press room, and I expect that'll continue this year as more and more interest grows in D3. Also depends on my schedule; last year I was out a lot filming the panels and doing some interviews and other activities down on the floor.

    Since everything seems to be on the streaming virtual ticket this year, us filming panels directly may be redundant, which would be fine with me. Attending them is a hassle; juggling video recorder and tripod and a laptop for notes, and there's nothing to gain by viewing them directly, instead of on video a day later.

    Last year I got on one of the 4 machines in the press room early the first day and just hogged it for like 90 minutes, to play the monk through every inch of the demo, and to level him up enough to try the 2 skills that didn't have points in them as a default. I felt a little guilty, but it passed.



     
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    Re: How out of date is our knowledge of skills?

    oh i am sure it did, and pretty fast too i would bet


     
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    Re: How out of date is our knowledge of skills?

    I would think that they've all changed pretty drastically, especially the WD. They didn't seem to have any real cohesive theme for his skills last time we saw him. I am willing to (sadly) bet that a lot of the melee-oriented Wee!zard skills have not made the cut.
     
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    Re: How out of date is our knowledge of skills?

    Would that matter? The Wizard has plenty of spells that suit melee combat just as well as ranged. I wouldn't be surprised that it could potentially become the "tankiest" out of all the classes with all those defensive buffs/abilities. If they kept the Enchant like skill, that should be more than enough to give the Wizard a distinct melee style from smashy Barbarian or comboing Monk.
     
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    Re: How out of date is our knowledge of skills?

    The "problem" is that the skills you are referring to are almost completely defensive. Tanking, sure, but dealing damage will likely be an excruciatingly slow process.

    I say "problem" because I don't really see the dev team having a responsibility to support this. If I were on the team, I imagine that I wouldn't be asking "How many melee abilities should we add?" as opposed to "How many abilities do we actually need?". Unless it was a group buff, I would probably pare them all out, myself.


     
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    Re: How out of date is our knowledge of skills?

    Killing power might not be that big of a problem. It obviously wouldn't match dedicated melee classes, but they can't match the sheer quality and quantity of defense available to the Wizard.

    While the melee Wizard does not have have access to the awe-inspiring Shockwave, it will probably end up having very high damage per regular attack thanks to a well pumped Enchant like skill (hopefully it is still in). Throw in the Hydra, which has ideal skill rune complements in form of the Inferno or poison puddle variant, and you can now stand in the thick of the enemy crowd, rapidly cutting down the elite monsters with your high power melee while the Hydra takes care of that Fallen style enemies that are clustered all around you.

    There is still potential in Spectral Blade and Mirror Image here for offensive purposes, whenever naturally or through skill runes or specific items. Ideally, by giving Mirror Images a % of your damage in their attacks (think DotA).

    Personally I like this idea of a melee Wizard more. It has a very different stylistic and mechanical approach to melee than either the Monk or the Barbarian, relying on powerful melee strikes with supporting spells to take care of crowds while you hit with Magic Weapon boosted melee under the shield of your defensive spells.

    Spectral Blades damage should be tied to weapon damage rather than whatever method other Wizard spells use for damage boost, though. Otherwise it feels like a gimped Cleave that sucks for a normal caster and for an actual melee caster.
     
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    Re: How out of date is our knowledge of skills?

    That's the exact kind of gameplay I am hoping for out of a melee wizard. With Arcane Power vs. Fury it will be almost opposite and complementary style characters. Fury builds up and then you "lay down a monster", whereas with Arcane Power, you drop aoe and debuff to start the fight, then clean up with your super defenses and boosted melee.

    As it used to be, magic missiles could have debuffs (I think some that even enhanced the damage monsters take!) attached to them and such, and the idea of laying down a hydra and firing off some MM before closing for melee sounds fun as all getout.

    And I'm with Konfeta, the more I think about this kind of play experience, the more I want to try it. I don't think the other classes really have anything lined up (that we know of!) that will play along those lines.


     
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    Re: How out of date is our knowledge of skills?

    Wasn't that based on arcane tree passives?
    I wonder how much the passives have changed, too. If they're still directed towards individual skills or more trending towards types of damage overall.


     
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    Re: How out of date is our knowledge of skills?

    The skills can have changed drasticlly over the year but they proberbly wont change as much from this Blizzcon to the next as everything is pretty much ready to go as far as concepts goes.

    Its what i think atleast.
     
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    Re: How out of date is our knowledge of skills?

    Well from latest info its bye bye passive skills (at lest from the skill section)
     

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