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How much is ideal mf?

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  1. shakka

    shakka IncGamers Member

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    How much is ideal mf?

    Basically what the title says. I mf hell andy and meph and havent found really anything in 100 runs. Doing it in a 4 person game with 262 mf. My friend mentioned something about changing up your mf to find a good spot. Any help here?
     
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    Re: How much is ideal mf?

    262 MF seems a good level, 100 runs is nothing, you've just hit a dry spell

    Ideal MF is the most that doesn't hinder your killing speed
     
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    Re: How much is ideal mf?

    alright thanks
     
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    Re: How much is ideal mf?

    Just to reiterate killing speed is far more important.
     
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    Re: How much is ideal mf?

    Agreed.

    And like lionheart said, 100 runs is nothing.


     
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    Re: How much is ideal mf?

    If your hunting for uniques:
    you get a very good bonus going from 0 - 100% MF: 71% more uniques
    From 100-200 you gain another 40% which is still OK
    from 200-300 you gain 25%
    from 300-400 you gain 17%
    from 400-500 you gain 13%
    from 500-600 you gain 10%
    from 600-700 you gain 8%
    from 700-800 you gain 6%

    You can figure out what you think is "ideal" with those numbers

    Most characters can easily inject 200% mf into their character without sacrificing significant killing speed. This makes uniques drop more than twice as much. (111% more)

    To make the lack of MF up with killing speed at 0% mf you'd have to be more than twice as quick to still see the same amount of uniques (and even quicker if you're going for sets/rares)
     
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    Re: How much is ideal mf?

    anywhere between 200 to 300 I suppose

    I'm currently running normal meph on exactly 262mf too (lol!) in classic to get some 'essential' items like Iratha's, but even then I still find it quite hard to get the items I need. Yes it's true that normal Meph can only drop a limited pool of items, but it keeps dropping things that I don't need repeatedly. You just need to keep at it I guess (no I haven't done 100 runs yet)
     
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    Re: How much is ideal mf?

    i am rushing a horde of barbs through classic at the moment and i just completed my irathas, got finally a shard, a perfect ward and a gull dagger i will probably never use.
    why im telling this? to point out that the two most important things for finding the right items are: 1. luck and 2. just killing monsters.

    my mf was exactly 41.



     
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    Re: How much is ideal mf?

    Nice chart. Alright so 200% mf increases uniques by 111%. Anybody know the chance to drop a unique without mf from bosses? Or is it dependent on the boss?



     
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    Re: How much is ideal mf?

    It is dependent on the boss. The "Item Generation Tutorial for patch 1.11" thread (http://diablo.incgamers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=392254) has information on how the game generates drops.



     
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    Re: How much is ideal mf?

    I guess we all know how luck plays a part! Anyway I just achieved my target simply by keeping at it, not bad for just one day of mfing :p



     
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    Re: How much is ideal mf?

    and i just evened out my karma with my nm hellforges: 18 tries and i averaged between hel and io; highest being a lem.



     
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    Re: How much is ideal mf?

    So how much is too much? I remember back in my 1.09 days that too much MF meant less uniques and more greens or something.

    I've been playing for about a week now, have gheeds, skuldders and occy...currently have 430mf on the dot...and can down Hell meph without a problem.

    However I would like to switch to things like Spirit shield, Arach belt, skills ammy in the future, maybe get some 7mfsc...What is the ideal sweet spot to be at for MF, or is it simply more = better?
     
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    Re: How much is ideal mf?

    the most important part is how fast and how many monsters u can kill, i find it more eficient for good itens to run pits and ancients then run meph and andy...

    i run with full tals, chance, 2 p nagels and spirit...
     
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    Re: How much is ideal mf?

    hmm I was told by someone that 430 is a little excessive....what should I aim for...something around 350?
     
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    Re: How much is ideal mf?

    you shouldnt aim for any specific amount of mf at all. your individual ideal mf amount is exactly the number, that doesnt slow down your runs by more than your actual! drop rate of uniques (or sets if you look primarily for them) increases.
    the only one who can determine this number is you and can reach from anywhere between ~100 and ~350 or even more mf. look at Erwwwds post about actual mf efficiency.



     
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    Re: How much is ideal mf?

    People have been telling me to run the pits since there are a lot of bosses in there. Give that a try. I've found some pretty good stuff with low mf
     
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    Re: How much is ideal mf?

    There is no too much when it comes to uniques.

    When an item drops, the game first checks to see if it becomes unique. If that test fails, it checks to see if it becomes set, then rare, then magic, and so on.

    It is theoretically possible to get so much MF that your chance of getting set or rare items drops (because the chance of getting uniques becomes higher), but the chance of getting unique items will always increase with each new point of MF.

    However, there are diminishing returns when adding MF. So going from 100% to 200% is a much more efficient increase than going from, say, 400% to 500%.



     

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