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Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by jmervyn, Nov 4, 2015.

  1. LozHinge the Unhinged

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    Seen here ...

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    Well, I'm not saying the rape and sexual assault of hundreds of Fraulein is all a scheme by Big Pepper...

    but I'm not NOT saying it.

    Meanwhile, I'm reporting Loz for images offensive to the Faithful. Given that his adopted country is already scrubbing history books & so froth*, I'm sure that Internet censorship won't be far behind.


    *honest typo but delightful so I left it.
     
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    Best typo of 2016 so far :thumbup:
     
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    Only January. Don't get too enthusiastic.
     
  5. LozHinge the Unhinged

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    Already forgotten :D
     
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    I'm not sure since when you believe me to be a multi-kulti supporter. In fact, I think that those who want to come here have to adapt to a certain extent and that those who break the law will have to be punished... and not knowing is no excuse in more cases than they might believe.

    There is right-wing fearmongering here, just like over there. Let's not forget, the US is in pre-election campaign mode and Europe is far away. However, it can't be denied that the immigrants are performing crimes. I don't know what happens in Sweden, but I find it strange that 9 year old children are allowed to run around in the streets at night. I'm going through the Hamburg main station twice every day and I haven't seen anything like that here.

    I had to laugh at the silly "don't grope women" sign from the article as well. I didn't know that our officials have that much of a sense of humour.
     
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    I don't think they do; I think they really believe it will help. It was answered relatively well on the only TV show I bother to DVR - the "migrants" are not simply scornful regarding this belief in gentle persuasion. There are a number of mosques which are encouraging this behavior, or at a minimum that the 'faithful' ought not be 'corrupted' by sinful Western societal mores.

    So it's game, set, & match really. The "migrants" know full well what Western civilized treatment of women is. They reject it, and enjoy doing so.
     
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    Game set and match for "them"... how many are "they"?

    I agree that there are a couple of muslims here who are interested in polarizing and incitement as well. If refugees are generally treated like rapists or other kinds of criminals, they will be driven into their arms.

    Your humour detector might be faulty. Please come over the ocean and report to the TÜV as soon as possible. You are probably a German, so the inspection comes for free.

    Edit: Spelling.
     
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  10. LozHinge the Unhinged

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    Multiculturalism was briefly discussed in a training event I attended today. The tutor is someone whom I might describe as "worldly (in the same what I might describe Merv as being "prepared to argue the toss").

    He was referring to the fact that Sweden and a couple of other countries in Europe have had their "problems" hushed in terms of press coverage, in order to further The Great Experiment of Europe's aims and goals. Since Cologne, this press blackout has had to fall by the wayside in several European countries - presumably because Germany has a tendency upon occasion to "spell things out" in terms of "what is happening" and so the whistle is well & truly blown.

    I suspect that Sweden is much like Britain - the press conspiring to hide the larger issues behind a sticky wall of trivia. Like, forever.

    I wonder whether the wheel will truly fall off of the Great Multiculturalism Swindle.
     
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    Disgraceful. If true. The story I mean, not Saro's arsenal.

    The story is certainly true if you want it to be but if, in the absence of any corroboration of the girl's statement and if you are reluctant to jump on the Outrage Train without examining the ticket first, you should keep an open mind.

    Is there any evidence that the "attacker" wasn't just some guy who spooked the girl into retaliating first, before any putative assault occurred? The girl may have made up the whole thing. What physical evidence is there? Are there independent witnesses?

    Bad things happen. Injustices happen. You need to have some facts first though before making a judgement and observer bias doesn't count towards this.
     
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    I doubt you are any safer than me, Saro. Your gun adds much less safety than the guns of others take away from you. Guns for everybody just make you *feel* safer. I agree that this is a significant factor worth considering, however. Also, there already are lots of guns in the US, so it might be too late to achieve a chance to the better in the next decades.

    I'm not going to start questioning the truth of the story, I'm just not willing to generalize the matter and draw consequences for a whole society or the legal situation. Regarding the law, a crime has to be proven to a court. There is a difference between adjucating things which I've witnessed myself or have happened to me and things which are said to have happened to others. I think it's important to distinguish between the two when drawing conclusions, making demands or deciding for anything.

    Regarding myself, I don't have to prove anything to others in order to justify my actions. I will do what I will feel good with. Accordingly, if the story is true and I was the girl, I would not feel any regret about the pepper spray (or probably even more drastic reactions, like putting Saro's gun to use) and accordingly, I wouldn't show any. If that leads to a more severe penalty, I wouldn't care. If I'm are morally right, it would better for my personally to stick to what I know to be the truth than to feign anything or bow to any compromise or arrangement.
     
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    This is similar to the argument used in the U.S. by the Socialist Democrats (redundancy), and it's a rational point. The number of bona-fide Islamist terrorists in either of our nations is minimal by comparison to the entire population.

    [​IMG]

    The rejoinder to this is that even without the rapefugees there are lunatics and EBIL KKKonservatives who present a danger to the society. This is also a rational point, as far as Progressive rationality can reach - and they immediately reach for the example of Timothy McVeigh as if it's a life buoy in a tempest.

    There are two obvious fault to this version of rational thinking, espoused by Techno and likely yourself - happily Lozzy is suffering from a strange episode of clarity on this issue.

    1) The fact that there are nutters in the general population does not constitute grounds to increasing their number by wholesale import of a far less sophisticated and less rational external population. Even IF the hurtle of acculturation was less significant, the belief that you can somehow weed out the bad apples is stupid. In this specific case, Germany can't ignore the closet Nazis or the Stazi informants, pretending they're not what they are - and the U.S. no longer has a frontier West where all the malcontents can get their own lebensraum.

    2) I've been critical of Bush the younger, and fairly so, but that doesn't mean I don't support & endorse what has become known sneeringly as "the Bush Doctrine". The primary facet is not 'fight them over there so we don't fight them over here', though that has immense value when considering the rapefugees. Rather, it is the recognition that you can no longer ignore or suffer the minor inconvenience of terrorism with the condescending "boys will be boys" mentality the Socialist Democrats invariably demonstrate. They hold that view because of their deep-rooted admiration and appreciation for terrorism - there's never been a successful "reactionary" revolution - but fail to recognize that it's no longer a case of Patty Hearst shouting some gibberish and trying to look sexy in paramilitary gear. Nowadays the danger of "WMD" in terrorist hands can not safely be ignored; even medieval biological siege warfare didn't rise to the level of potential that some goat-lover with ISIL has with a smuggled North Korean nuke.
     
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    I don't have any guns to cling to, living in the Vampire State.

    This is patently false, and I'm sorry to say you're likely to start discovering this sooner rather than later. Your social contract is being trampled thanks to Frau Merkel, and you're going to start seeing far more dog-eat-dog behavior.

    It's already happened in Sweden, which of course is hiding the issue.
    [​IMG]

    If you don't think this mentality by your rapefugee guests will be contagious, you're sadly naive.






    EDIT - if you don't want to watch the entire thing, check out ~15:30
     
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    What a silly comparison. I feel no moral need to eat 10000 M&Ms. While you can simply throw them away as you like, you cannot do that to humans as lightly. Oh wait, it might be just me who can't do that. I don't know what it is like with you.

    I think we have already discovered that it is blatantly true.

    Perhaps you have suffered from too much dog-eat-dog over there and want to see us suffering from that as well?

    Sorry, but you have no idea what it is like here. It's easy to find videos about crowds versus the police.

    In which manner is Reddit business my business? Well, perhaps I have to be happy that you didn't come up with those Sputnik or Russia Today reports about German officials allegedly sweeping a rape case under the rug.

    Unless you don't have to care about what's to be done, it's rather safe in the crowd of those who don't do anything but point out things which appear wrong, I guess.
     
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    And where's the moral need for your society to absorb the rapefugees? Why not simply have them taken care of in a camp (as the U.S. has been doing for the so-called Palestinians since the buggers fled their homes at the Syrian's behest). In fact, why the FECK is the U.S. paying for the so-called Palestinians AT ALL?
    Your moralizing from a position of extreme safety/servitude at someone who is not in a similar position doesn't really pay for a cup of coffee. Once you are in an unsafe position, whether by virtue of your socialist structure or simple hostility, I wonder what tune you'll whistle?
    Well, there's a nugget of truth to that. Americans dominate the world because we take the risks on behalf of others, while Europeans shit all over us on a regular basis and tell us how horrible we are. That's one slightly positive thing I think Trump may have done - in a Progressive world where the ignoramii are told how everything must be on a global scale, he's helped give voice to Nationalism again. In many ways, that's where Frau Merkel has kneecapped Germany - she's an Internationalist, of the Communist variety, and her actions (like Obama's) are directed by that compass. The failure of Internationalist thinking is highlighted by the rapefugee crisis.
    Ok. For myself, when a crowd shows up at my doorstep I can blow a couple of heads off rather than rely on police who run from confrontation. That goes to your assertion about the blatant truth, of course - or at least the perception of civilization and security by a nation's populace.
    Admittedly a larger-picture consideration, where I find it extremely concerning that a business concern would be pressured to keep crimes quiet "for the greater good". Normally I expect to hear quite a lot about that from people like you.
    Which is why I'm somewhat proud of my scoring "Crusader" as personality type.

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    Absorption? Which absorption?

    What would a camp for a million people be like?

    I see no constradiction here. I wrote that others having guns take away more safety than you can add by buying one yourself. It seems you agree to that and I also agree that you have no choice anymore in your situation. In spite of the refugees, the situation here isn't anywhere close to what you want to make it appear, however.

    It seems you want your country to be powerful together with being loved, praised or applauded by certain people. That won't happen. You cannot have all of it.

    You will probably find people who regard the US as horrible, including people from Europe. So what? If I was you, I wouldn't care. In particular, I wouldn't complain about it in public. Being powerful comes with being hated by a certain amount of people and envied by others. In fact, it would invoke my spite and make me feel good. But perhaps your complaints are just one step towards that goal, but I think it's pretty rude to address all of them instead of just those who condemn the US in the "shit all over us" fashion.

    Both of us know that for certain people, feeling satisfaction in the hate and envy of the dominated is one of the reasons to do this domination thing. What you might believe to be the motives is mainly a figurehead to satisfy one's hypocritical or even mendacious desire to appear as just and good. These certain people are usually those who have the best chances to achieve positions of power.

    Therefore I don't care about what's presented as motives, I just care about the results. My conclusion is that it's pointless to blame the US like many naive people do, I'm just pointing out their facades of righteousness as such. I think I cannot expect more than getting a result which is to my liking.

    What a hilarious nonsense! I won't elaborate, it speaks for itself.

    That's naive. Your gun doesn't protect you from crowd, it just gives you a feeling of safety. Instead of simply coming to your doorstep, they will find a different way to get done what they intend, like sneaking up on your house and setting it on fire.

    So we agree that you are not in the way of the triumph of the evil which you describe?
     
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    Do you really believe the rapefugees will leave your country... "unmolested"? These are young, jobless men with little to no family responsibility in their home nations; less than 25% are Syrian so the claim of fleeing war zones is cursory truth at best.
    There are 1.5 million Palestinians living in them currently. I won't say they're wonderful places, but the image of groveling misery is... oversold. They would be a hell of a lot better if it weren't for the combination of international welfare culture and Arab interest in keeping the anti-Israeli culture alive.
    It's a typical false scenario, so I don't agree. Your falsehood assumes that if you don't have a weapon nobody else can either. Bullshit.
    Oh, rest assured I'm not implying that Köln is suddenly like Washington D.C. or New Orleans. What I <AM> saying is that my wife (and young girls or children) would have been able to walk a lonely street in Gießen in the middle of the night back when I was there. Are you claiming that remains true?
    No, but a little gratitude rather than incessant jealousy, hatred, and backstabbing would be a nice change.

    You're probably right that we can't have it all, so my answer is a full throated "FECK YOU!" to the so-called International Community. I don't go full-bore Saro's Magic Kingdom (You NEVER go full Saro **) and suggest an "American Switzerland" as the Framers are imagined to have done, but I definitely don't support the way we've essentially <been> NATO and SEATO while you spit in our faces (and worse).

    America is hated for having inherited the English mantle of keeping the sea lanes open, but International Progressives have gone so far beyond that it's stunning (which is where seemingly lunatic claims about the U.S. creating ISIL contain truth). Obama has fecked our allies and embraced our enemies, and managed to accomplish a weakening of the Internationalist system despite himself by his adoration of imaginary "soft power", while I would have supported a more intelligent pull-back and less creation of ISIL/Taliban.

    Prime example was Iraq - I supported going to war there, but I never bought in to the "you broke it, you bought it" concept it evolved into (labeled as "neocon" & generally interpreted as "da J00z", but actually the International Progressive types).

    There's no reason NATO members should be as cowardly as they are, and the same goes for SEATO to a lesser degree - but all those Leftists crapping on America for militarization ignore the fact that those NATO and SEATO countries practically demand American militarization so that they don't have to foot the bill for defending themselves.

    In that we find a small amount of common ground. I'm intensely nationalistic, but would be viewed as anti-nationalist by many because I frequently don't support what American political & foreign policy aims have been.

    You don't believe that Merkel is a Transnational Progressive? Why not?

    Also patently untrue. I'll admit that simple ownership of weaponry doesn't solve anything - but it most definitely prevents the specific example you've portrayed. Past examples are plentiful in America, since we possibly have more rioting and definitely more slack policing than you do.

    Want to try running that through the translator again? Sounds like you just tried to insult me on the grounds of the quote.


    ** source of the previous quote:


    EDIT - wow, word filter apparently slowly reestablished.
     
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    They might not leave on their own, but they can be thrown out if there's no good reasonn for them to stay here. That has been done in the past and this has to happen in the future as well.

    No, but a couple of people from safe countries are being sent back. That's has been done in the past, so I expect it to happen in the future as well. To which extent? I don't know, we didn't have a million in a year so far.

    It's a lot colder and wetter here during winter than in Palestine. People in tent camps would become sick here and not so few would die. Whatever, the EU is already negotiating with the Turks about what to do.

    It's just you who who thinks that I've said that. I won't defend positions of your choosing. I agree that if the others are possibly armed, then you better get armed as well, that's not in contradiction to what I wrote.

    You can probably find no place anywhere in which it was never dangerous at any time. I think there are rather few generally dangerous ones here. I wouldn't say that it's few enough of them, however.

    I think you are much too much absorbed with looking for insults.

    My amusement was mostly about all the other things in that paragraph.

    Which was basically all I wanted to say.

    The "crowd at the doorstep" example came from you. Whatever, see above where I wrote that if the others are armed, you have a good reason for a gun as well.

    I agree that the gun issue has a certain historical background in the US and I'm fine with it.

    My point was that the Edmund Burke quote is about *doing* something, not just about getting upset. You brought up that quote.
     

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