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  1. jmervyn

    jmervyn Diabloii.Net Member

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    Since this is actually a European forum, I would like to hear first hand what's happening to the assorted "across the pond" members who for years have sneered at stupid and bigoted American concerns about illegal immigration. I was once even berated by a GW Mod (not MixedVariety; one of the punks) for specific & accurate use of the term, "wetback".

    Specifically, I was wondering things like if Kris lives near the hamlet of Sumte? While I never realized just HOW East German Fr. Merkel truly became (she was born in Heidelberg, the West), I can't say that her actions (or words) have surprised me. Actions which are causing just all kinds of really fun repercussions in the Fatherland and the rest of the EU.

    I could obviously go on & on with each of the EU members as well as the UK (a Twitter conversation with a Frenchman mentioned sex-segregated lines at some fast food restaurants). Of course, I had a foretaste of this when I served in Germany and the state of Hessen allowed in economic refugees which caused much consternation by the locals (throwing trash out windows, stairwells used as latrines) but those people were generally far more "Europeanized" Muslims than the ones entering Europe now.

    I thought it would be interesting to hear from the beloved forum which has thrown shyte at me over the years.



    Yes, this is really a viciously snide use of a song refrain. It still will be fascinating to hear your views, and if they've changed.
     
  2. krischan

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    I have to disappoint you, I haven't thrown shyte at you on this topic. I think I showed more of my despise towards Glurin whose points often appeared to me as racistic and prejudiced. I'm not throwing shyte at you just because you are holding up your self-made "throw shyte at me" sign.

    This isn't about illegal immigrants, but about refugees. The first can (and will, most of the time) be sent back, the second can apply for asylum, our constitution says it (see below). That means, it's a different issue than with e.g. Mexicans. I agree that there's European hypocrisy about the latter in the US.

    Regarding public opinion in Germany: The country is torn. We have to offer help to those who come from war-torn countries, but we can't take a million every year. The problem has to be distributed among all countries near Syria. I doubt that the people from Syria are leaving in order to become mooches here, but they cannot expect that the EU allows them to choose in which country the are brought.

    There is a certain amount of people who reject them all. I'm not saying that they are totally wrong, but in Germany, it has become almost a habit that their figureheads turn out to be fascists, nazis or racists. Also, a couple of those who follow them are what I would call the scum of mankind in Germany which I would love to give away in exchange for the refugees. You probably have seen a few of the protests here and some of their slogans... well, it's a shame.

    Distribution of refugees: I agree that this is often done in a silly manner. In your example, it's scandalous. You *cannot* shelter 750 people in a village with 100 inhabitants, that's madness! The maximum should be 10 or so. BTW, Sumte is rather close to where I live, I'm living about 50km away.

    Behaviour of immigrants: Throwing trash out of the window or or peeing into stairwells isn't a matter of where you are from, but of the conditions in which you are currently living. If those around you are doing it, a certain amount of new people will do it as well. Besides, your impressions are from the 80s and Germans were less open to foreigners back then because they weren't that much used to the issue yet, tending to serve and justify their prejudice with stories like those you heard here.

    Who's illegal: Anybody can ask for asylum here. Our constitution grants it to political refugees (with the fishy part being the word "political") and a court decides about it. If you come from a country which is on a list of "safe countries", you will be sent back more quickly. Most of those from Syria will be accepted, those from the Balkan will not. However, the process of granting or denying asylum takes a few months here (while it takes about two weeks in e.g. Netherlands), but it's said to be sped up soon (hopefully). People who come here for economical reasons will almost always be sent back. As an immigrant (i.e. you are not asking for asylum), you need a good reason why Germany should accept you, e.g. being useful in a convincing manner. I guess if I wanted to move into the US for a year, I would have to prove that I will become no burden during that time, like having somebody who will give me shelter or vouch for me, or by bringing $100,000 with me.

    Asylum isn't granted only granted as long as the crisis takes. Then they can be sent back - with force if necessary. At that point, those who want to stay are treated like immigrants. Are you useful then? You would probably have a couple of advantages over new immigrants, like knowing the language, the culture, the customs, having a job or a qualification.

    Immigrants and refugees have to register. Those who sneak in will not get help from the state, but there are charity organizations which offer unconditional, non-evangelizing help to everybody (you probably have e.g. something like the Salvation Army over there as well). If you hide and don't ask anybody for help, you are in risk of dying, however. Winter is coming. Also, Germany is rather densely populated and everybody has to report to an agency where he's living. That means, it's pretty hard for typical immigrants to stay beneath the radar.

    Immigration is seen different by Germans (or in European countries in general). Germans are defining themselves in an ethnic manner to a greater extent than e.g. in the US and the language is important as well. Thats a matter of history, not of racism, although we certainly have a typical share of those who believe tey are the greatest people in the world. Germany has become a lot more open to immigrants in the last decades, however. For example, have a look at the German football team with players like Boateng, Khedira, Özil etc. being not blonde enough in order to be regarded as "typical Germans". Very few people are saying that they don't belong into the team, those 3% who might do sodo are mostly nazis and I'm not generalizing here. That has probably been different 50 years ago.

    Automatic German citizenship is generally based on who your parents are. Being born here doesn't automatically make you a German. One of your parents (or pehaps just some ancestor, I'm not sure) or your wife/husband has to be a German. That's a typical case of a country defining itself in an ethnic manner. You can still apply for citizenship, of course. You don't have to pass a test for that, like in the US, but you have to prove that you can speak the language well enough and that you are well integrated.

    BTW, Merkel was born in Hamburg, but she grew up in Eastern Germany. Her parents moved to there soon after her birth, her father was offered a pastorate there. That somehow makes her an Eastern German.
     
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    Thank goodness at least one other person wants to play with grenades. I was going to think I was the only one keeping this forum alive.
    Well, I recall a shyte-storm in a discussion with WB wherein I called people who would bake children & serve them to their parents, "sub-human".
    You know you want to though.
    I'm glad you admit it - but I'm not so certain the two are not completely analogous. Illegal aliens in the U.S. are circumventing the law and the border, are not attempting to become citizens, do not respect the host nation, and are not actually fleeing political or religious persecution; they're here primarily for free stuff and secondarily for a better wage then they could command at home.
    We'll have to agree to disagree. Less than 1/4 of them are Syrian, and surprisingly there's almost as many Afghanis in the group.

    Furthermore, Merkel is the one who rolled out the rot carpet. Remind me why Greece, Turkey, et al should comply, other than the banking?

    We again have a usable analogy with Donald Trump's supporters.

    This is REALLY going to be interesting. I expect updates!

    I'm not up on my geography to the point that I recall Oberhausen's proximity, but I expect you're going to have a front-row seat to the clash of civilizations. As put with none too fine a point, you're talking 700 people who have no cultural reason to respect you or your nation, and are simply looking at you as a piggy bank. Only 1/4 of those (likely fewer) will be women & children. There's limited shopping/entertainment/activity of the sort these people accept, and "winter is coming".

    Again we'll agree to disagree. That's a component, but these people are from locales where a pit toilet might be a luxury. I suspect the respect for the host nation is far more in play, which is why you have American ghettos yet will often find illegals living like stacked cord-wood in studio apartments that attempt to keep their environs clean (and under the INS' radar).

    See, this is the part I recall. You're viewing the process as resolution, but the migrants were simply there in order to game the system and live off the stipend. They'd be deported, would turn around & be back within the week awaiting a hearing under a different name. How many of your newest buddies are named "Mo"?

    Not at all. You can easily fabricate reasons for a student/tourist/business visa, skip it (aka 'overstay'), and ram a plane into the Twin Towers. Obama has guaranteed that nothing will happen to you even when caught - he's trying to ensure that it stays that way.

    I've heard this, but I honestly don't think you've the stones to do it. We certainly don't.

    When I was with the Reserve Officer Training Corps in Arizona, Don Henley hired us as temporary roadies for the local concerts supporting illegal immigration. Irony - it's what's for dinner!

    What I think will prove even more interesting is the lack of German recognition of the immigrants' cultural racism. There's FAR more of them who believe they're the greatest people in the world than there are Germans with the same bias, plus they believe it's their <right> to rape blonde Germans (Northern Europeans in general).

    I've actually been berated and blocked on Twitter with the accusation of practicing taqqiyah (Muslim military deception against kaffir) for pointing out that not all Muslims are like that. However, polling indicates that around 40%... ARE.

    I don't know if you've heard about our "anchor baby" argument in the U.S. Basically it relies on a willing misinterpretation of an undecided facet of one of the post-Civil-War Amendments. It shouldn't be the law of the land but it's defended by the Left because they need to swell the ranks of the American underclass.

    I had seen Heidelberg when I checked, so I should have been more thorough. Still, to be a cleric in a regime hostile to Christianity, and yet have two cars? I'm not of the camp who believe she was a high-ranking Stazi type, but at the same time I don't discount her time in whatever the Young Pioneers were called.
     
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    Well, the passage about political asylum doesn't exclude arrogant idiots or people with habits which are behind our standards. Anyway, your impressions about them here are 30 years old and you said you heard it from others. As said, Germans weren't that much used to "less blonde" people back then, so a couple of them probably liked it to believe whatever gave them the opportunity to look down on others - a typical human habit. Therefore parts the yellow press were propagating stuff like reports about bad manners of foreigners. In the 80s, the big newspaper for dumbasses, BILD, was full of stuff which would be regarded as inacceptable today. Well, it's still the paper for dumbasses, with news suitable for dumbasses, but causing facepalms for many others.

    BTW, most people from Syria and Afghanistan who made it to here are probably rather wealthy and well-educated by the standards of their countries, else they wouldn't have been able to pay the people smugglers and the journey. I doubt that they had no working toilets at home or whatever makes people pee into stairwells. People were a bit astonished that they had stuff like smartphones etc. and had a rather relaxed attitude regarding religion. Most probably won't eat pork, but I doubt that they run wild if the Red Cross is assigned to help them.

    Regarding Merkel, she certainly has a few virtues/flaws which make her a successful politician, so I'm not suirprised that she wasn't an anti DDR rebel. She grew up there. What kind of decisions do you expect from children? I don't know much about the DDR youth organizations, but Young Pioneers doesn't sound like Hitlerjugend. She wasn't a member of a party as well which probably wasn't that unnprobablematic when she made her PhD in physics.

    Yes, we have a physicist as chancellor, that's probably better than a lawyer or former official, right? :) Whatever, I'm not among those who voted for her party. She isn't "socialistic" enough in my eyes!!11!
     
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    Yes, they're 30 years old but many were first-hand. I thought I'd regaled you with stories of what the Auslander did to my beloved Schloss Kaserne, Butzbach?
    However, once you see an established behavioral trend, such as treating women like rape objects, it's the height of foolishness to ignore the likely results. My half-sister is a Nordic blonde and thought that the extraordinary and aggressive attention she received from young gypsy males in Madrid was just a fluke. Happily, she returned to the U.S. before I wound up in a hospital (gypsies are better in knife fights than I am).
    I'd be happy to grant the possibility that the vast majority of many immigrants are of what would have been considered middle class. Many of them are doubtless the "shopkeepers" whom Obama originally ridiculed while arming their foes (Al Quaeda & new ISIS affiliates). Thing is, how many aren't?

    Taking that line of thinking further, even if a greater percentage than the overall population are peace loving merchant types - say even 80%, and I'm being generous - they have no capital, will have trouble adjusting to European laws / morals, and face a very bleak future aside from those in the arbeiter class who may or may not encounter issues with German unions.

    I've heard differently, and in particular that she <was> an apparatchik from early on, but I'll leave that to your own tinfoil hat types to debate.

    The Young Pioneers were the overarching youth group of the USSR and are generally dismissed as Russian Boy Scouts but they were indeed equivalent to and rooted in Hitlerjugend. Apparently the GDR's subset was the Ernst Thälmann Pioneer Organisation which fed into the Freie Deutsche Jugend (I'm relying on Wiki for the names, but I believe that's where I found Heidelberg as her birthplace so YMMV). On casual review, they look like they were heavy on the political indoctrination (the youth group I'm a leader in would be considered similar but of a religious bent) and far less about self-sufficiency than both my group and the original Boy Scouts.

    I suppose that's completely unsurprising for an overt Communist/Socialist organization.
     
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    The adjucations of politicians (and not just them) almost always have significant amounts of tactical, strategical, machiavellistic or ideological elements. Which adjucation is helpful in which manner? How many politicians are there in the world who have clean slates in the eyes of everybody? And how many are villains in the eyes of everybody? My guess is that it's zero in both cases.

    I would agree that the Hitlerjugend was closer to the Pioneers than to let's say the boyscouts (the Pioneer and Hilerjugend did boyscout stuff half of the time). I think the nazi ideology was worse than the DDR ideology, at least the ideology of the 1980s, and the same goes for their youth organizations.
     
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    Ideological similarities of Socialists and Nazis notwithstanding, the Pioneers actually seem kind of "milquetoast" in comparison to Boy Scouts of the same era. OTOH Hitlerjugend was the Boy Scouts on steroids in being not just a paramilitary but near the level of military school cadet corps.

    The modern Boy Scouts is nowhere near the level of militarism it used to be; I was admonished for having a squirt gun "war" 35 years ago and they aren't even allowed to play paintball nowadays.



    I know you're trying to escape & evade discussion of your new "neighbors" but I'll see what you say in a month or so.
     
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    There is no classical 'arbeiter class' in Germany anymore. That one dissolved through around mid 80s towards the beginning of the new millenium. (Estimation from my own perception, not from knowledge.) As effect of the changes to german welfare, a new class came around, though, which is being called Prekariat. (ger)

    Good and interesting discussion, by the way. I'm not one so firm on details and historical roots, so I find it hard to partake, but I'd like to follow you some more.

    And jmervyn: You've got an interesting mix of conservative based perceptions with eristic and anarchistic tendencies to offer. I think I might come to really like you ...
     
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    Regarding my opinion, I'm torn. I think we cannot deny help to the refugees from war-torn countries, but we cannot take millions of them. There has to be a decision on an European level and also involving neighbours of e.g. Syria, like a fair distribution of them. I think there's nothing wrong with e.g. giving Turkey money in order to provide the refugees with help. The Eastern European countries don't want refugees, but I think that if they want to be EU members, they will have to take some of them anyway. Being in a union means sharing burdens to some extent. If they refuse after we let them join the EU and after they took all our money in order to improve their situation, they can give a bit back, each to its capabilities. Also, once their war is over, they have to go back.

    Regarding boy scouts, they have a small bit of military elements, but they are far from the military drill which was given in the Nazi and DDR youth organizations. I agree that the Hitlerjugend was a kind of a cadet school for common people, a preparation for becoming a soldier, together with indoctrination of a kind which mothers usually don't provide.

    My father (born in 1932) was in the Jungvolk, the pre-Hitlerjugend organization. He told me that it was mostly about playing things like paper chase, i.e. reaching landmarks and then solving riddles or competing at something or finding some treasure. A child probably doesn't notice the parts involving indoctrination, however. He said it was fun.
     
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    Be afraid. Be very afraid. Maybe you'd even want to see a psychiatrist or other witch doctor to have that dangerous condition remedied.

    Well, first you have to consider what they're refugees <from>. If you imagine the following
    1. these are all Syrians
    2. these are fleeing war & persecution
    3. these are interested in assimilation
    Then I have a number of bridges you'd be interested in. A caveat: in no way am I allowing the straw-legions mustered to the defense of openly racist groups like La Raza - there are legitimate refugees from combat and even moreso from religious persecution in their number. Obama has in two Presidential terms not only given the Russians something that they never managed during the entire Cold War (Mediterranean access via Syria basing) but has enabled the elimination of vast swaths of Christianity that had existed for over a thousand years.

    But I digress. So does your concept of "refugee" include "someone brutal and primitive deciding to help himself to my societal safety net"? In the U.S. it most definitely does, and we're called RACISSS!! for even questioning the concept's validity - despite it having been codified only in 1965 as a blatant method of inflating Democrat/Socialist voter rolls.

    Perhaps their cultural memory of Islamist society is sharper than yours? Also worth considering: how many Arab nations are hosting said "refugees" - and why wouldn't you pay them to keep these supposedly poor victims closer to their native lands? Have you investigated this question to any degree?

    This will be a thing of beauty - to see Germans trying not to be labeled as 'ethnically cleansing' neighborhoods. Do you seriously, for one moment, think that you'll have the societal courage to expel these freeloaders?

    The Boy Scouts of both America and Britain were paramilitary prior to the 1970's or so. Lord Baden-Powell envisioned it as encouraging military skills and morals but without overt militarism. The American branch later made a conscious decision to attempt to become more "urban" at that time, and drastically softened the organization (part of a sad but steady trend).

    What if your mother is into bullying the younger children to toughen them up, and intimidating shopkeepers?
     
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    I used to think the same thing. Don't worry, the condition should work itself out naturally, professional psychiatric help isn't usually required.
     
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    I agree. Puffing a pipe of Mary here and then or popping some nice pictures, gets the process on track quite nicely... ;)

    (@jmervin: Yeah, that was an intended 'Goto 10'-kinda argument and no attempt at promoting drug use. Real answer to you would be "Let's see, how it develops. When do I get the key to your flat, darling?! ;)" - but kestegs was a step faster ^^)

    edit: Even "freeloaders" have the right to be treated with the dignity and respect worth of a human being. "Ethnic cleansings" don't even offer the dignity and respect worth of any living being, at all ... [editedit: Of? For? My english leaves me there ... sorry.]

    edit3: The initial problem making emigrations for economical reasons a necessity to the one or other derives from the world having grown together to a closed global inner market in the first place, anyhow ... It would be better to create a tiered basic income model, to eradicate those reasons directly.

    Tiered up from the global, down to local communities, I mean. So that regional differences in monetary necessities can be regarded accordingly. Alltogether adding up to the final basic income, a basic income not only for sheer survival, but offering enough monetary support for cultural and societary participation.
     
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    I go to 11.



    I don't agree with the first claim, at least not completely. I have a very hard time considering someone who rapes little boys for fun as deserving dignity & respect. I also don't really think someone who arrives in my country purely to "mooch" deserves the same degree of both in comparison to someone who has been driven from their home by such monsters due to (vis-a-vis Germany) the cavalier treatment of monstrosity by my nation and my nation's strongest ally (c'est moi).

    As to the second claim I'm just snickering. I doubt very much that Germans will have the testicular strength to drag people from their squats, unless my concerns about these "Yoots" come to pass ("Youths" are what the rioting Islamist punks in France are always referred to as in American mainstream media).

    Getting a bit deep here. First, there's a huge gulf between immigration/migration and what is essentially invasion. Second, I disagree wholeheartedly with any sort of faith in central planning solutions - it leads to black market reaction which, in this case, includes slavery, rape, and human trafficking.

    The sad but bottom line truth is that America and to a secondary extent the EU are so good due to unrestrained capitalism. Restraining capitalism, seen in Russia and China in a guise not terribly different from fascism, will debase & destroy the stability and power of the society as surely as a war. You don't see people flocking to Brazil, Argentina, or Mexico in exactly the same way you don't see them flocking to Turkey or Greece (or the Arab states mentioned previously).

    It's admittedly racist to say that a significant number of these people want to get to places like Sweden and Denmark, go on public assistance, and try to have sex with blonde blue eyed people. What's worse is that it's considered racist to make the observation but not to recognize the truth of the same observation. While <SOME> of these people are definitely what passes for urbane in the Arab world, that hardly means that either their cultural mores will integrate into Western civilization, or that their more urbane mores will rub off on the less urbane, more rural members of the cohort.
     
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    Such idiot asses are dropping all dignity and respect down from themselves by their own action. The point to be made was that dignity and respect can only ever be taken by one his own actions. Never from an outside party, though. There it can only be given, and any attempt of taking dignity and respect from an outside party just results in the outside party taking their own dignity and respect from themselves.

    Ever heard of the term 'symbiotic relationship'? Complementary to both parasite and host? Wouldn't that be something to strife for, regarding moochers?

    So your solution would be to trash the idealistic core of our western society instead?

    Conspiracy therorizing much? And even if: Take away the reasons for invasion, and there won't be any.
    You've got the point of a tiered basic income system actually being decentralized in nature at its base. Only during installement and during corrections on the global tier would centric coordination ever be required.

    You have quite the different view from me on how good and how far away from fascism US and EU actually are. Perhaps you're lacking the view from the downside of the social hierarchy, but only if we'd still be in the 80's I'd concurr to your argumentation here...

    edit2: [...] Just because we're better off because of a longterm concentration on making profits on the export market, while deconstructing and weakening our inner markets at the same time, doesn't mean that we won't drown when boat sinks, because nobody dares to attempt actually repairing the leaks.

    edit:

    Also: What about the simple fact that debts always climb up faster than wealth, globally seen. In closed global inner market and under the assumption of declining ressources, this discrepancy between the two climbers will only extrapolate. You haven't defuted my arguments just one tiny bit.

    Hooray to Rand for exchanging actual religion for an economical religion, without anyone noticing! Hooray to free markets! /sarcasm
     
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    Thing is, this is a cultural (and in particular, religious) normality for many of these people. Anti-Christians always trot out the Old Testament laws in Leviticus to try to smear Christians, but hard-core Islamists really believe & practice that sort of thing today.
    The Progressive societal engineering types who arrogantly imagine they can control such relationships already do so within the confines of law and regulation. The invaders care not for either one.
    Hard to trash something I think is already undergoing destruction. However, I'm just pointing out that if Americans don't have the stomach to forcibly expatriate people (Elian Gonzalez notwithstanding) then it's extremely unlikely that Germans will, given their over-sensitivity and past.

    [​IMG]


    Never consign to conspiracy what can be more readily explained by stupidity. In this case, Frau Merkel's - and why does it not constitute an invasion?

    Second thing is, how will you see the reasons taken away, when the lure is so far superior to anything they've known?
    How ya gonna keep 'em down on the farm
    After they've seen Paree' ?



    Required? I've worked in & around government most of my life. It's more than happy to invite itself to any private party.

    I actually think the U.S. is far closer in many ways than Europe is, but both are quite close. Some European countries are edging away, while the U.S. under the last two Presidents has been full speed ahead.

    Don't worry yourself about my lack of perspicacity. You'll do better to read Zerohedge and scare yourself shitless.

    Free markets are the only markets, also thought of as 'profiteering'. Everything else is corruption, graft, and violence dressed up in a bunny suit. Only children believe in the Easter Bunny, and U.S. politicians certainly don't.
     
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    Sorry! Had RL stuff to juggle in the last, few days and have been told that the love of my life has been hospitalized two days ago, with noone actually having the information of what's going on exactly and how critical the situation actually is. So I honestly ain't having the head to concentrate on continuing the discussion right now. (Haven't seen him in like 8 years, as he doesn't wanna have me in his life anymore and actually wishes me dead, but that ain't helping on the emotional drag. Quite the opposite, in fact.)

    Please excuse me for this. Though I'll be coming back to the thread, once the emotional fog clears up. I'm actually thankful that you're finally starting to talk on eye level. It's nice to finally meet the real you and some of the traps you've prepared are actually quite sweet - too sweet not to test ones limits by tripping them. (Have you actually done research on me as a person? There's a determination to beat me with my own polemics sizzling through under your contempt ...)

    Please accept my sincere apologies

    Silverfang
     
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    There is no Real Life on the OTF. BobCox helps maintain the illusion normally, which is why we're all suffering.

    That sucks big time. You both are in my prayers, even if you don't want to be.

    What, you think I'm a dwarf? Sorry, height-challenged persun?

    It's okay, I stumble around drunk every so often myself.

    Not really. I honestly can't recall if you're gay; my reputation as a homophone {/another inside joke} is vastly overstated. As for polemics, isn't that the reason we're here? I do miss WildBerry though; of all those who wished to sharpen their English skillz sabre, he was the most enjoyable.

    On a serious note, my prayers for you and your ex-bestie. Now less serious: Hurry back when all is resolved; we need blood & souls for my lord Arioch.
     
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    Bah.

    Lord Jagged would kick Arioch's ass. Whichever incarnation Arioch was in.
     
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    Any gamemaster declaring out-of-game talk as strictly being in-game only, should be aware of the possible consequences. Just sayin' ...

    You don't even know half of it. Thanx for your understanding!
    Hopefully to a worthy deity like Tiamat or one of her many incarnations. And not to this thingy the Aramaeic(?) turned Marduk into. (-> Dunno how to adress properly here. 'Ancient Hebrews' sounds kinda lame and the Greek may come sueing for IP rights for that one ...)

    *Kudram Kudram Kudram Kudram* ... Sounds like a type of fuel based engine to me!

    Nope. I'm thinking that lifting yourself above others a tiny, real tiny, really just a micro bit.
    Not in the slightest! Oh my, if you're looking anything like a fully bearded Dinklage taken straight from the set of GoT, then shut up and hurry over for a visit! I'm quite sure that any heigths challenges occuring can be solved quite easily. One way, or another.

    But why?! Any napoletarian complexes I should be made aware of? I'd certainly hate belitteling you accidentally. Never that!

    (Take note that by 'napoletarian complexes' I don't necessarily mean heigths issues. There are a lot of reasons, one could feel the need to compensate for ...)

    Do you still think, I should be afraid of you? If so, wait 'til you stumble around drunk in my bed! Then we finally know, which of us should be the one to be afraid ...

    So you're 'just' a seasoned Disputarian?! Well, you've said that you were a politician once. So I shouldn't assume anything less than a veteran. Veteran Disputarians intuitions are quite scary! Perhaps you're right and I should be afraid of you.

    I'm still counting myself as a mere fledgeling. So please treat me gently! (If you're even into this holistic mumbojumbo, that is ...)


    I'm not gay! Whoever told you that was a Fagg-King son uva lyin' Biatch! (Unless you're hot, older bear, as your Avatar suggests. Then of cause I'm gay! Wanna be my daddy? But beware: What you're getting is a full hands-on. A real lazy, mischevious bum with a desperate need for extensive parenting ...)
    You're a homophone? Great! I've always wanted my own little Phoney!
    I wholeheartedly disagree. We're here to hug each other, share wonderful flower arrangements among us and sing 'Cumbaja' all day long!

    Never forget that! Whoever forgets that instantly joins Diablo down in Hell!

    Thanks again for your understanding and devilish rituals. Just to avoid misunderstandings, though: What went down the drainage was a BF[strikeout]F[/strikeout]-kinda situation. [Drek! What was the BBCode for that one again?]

    (He's an Asexual with heterosexual tendencies. Though there's a strong vibe of Transsexuality going on underneath. I couldn't speak openly to him about it, though. He has to admit this himself, and to himself, first. Else accepting himself for what he is would only have become even harder for him ...)

    As a part-time incarnation of the Great Toe of the Great Hollo, I know how wrong you both are ...

    (Just search the web for it. I suggest startpage.com as the search engine to be used. If the english page has been downed, look for "Der große(/grosse) Zeh des großen(/grossen) Hollo" ...)

    Or was this a WoW-Insider?! I may be 'Wow!' Inside WoW, though, I ain't. [-> Please add facepalms as needed to suit your personal level of comfort.]

    Anywho: Now out of the personal and back into the frying pan!

    [To be continued in another post not far, far away, later into the day ...]
     
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    Right. As were the Old Greeks and the Romans. And somewhere :) Was it the Philipines? Don't quite remember ...) one son becomes the pride (and main income) of the family by being changed into a child transvestite prostitute.

    But pointing fingers doesn't help one bit, though. 'What happens in Islam, stays in Islam - What happens over here, stays here!' is a good rule of thumb. One could talk about building up an integral rights system, though, with certain cities, neighborhoods or even down to individual flats proclaiming and adhering to a different set of laws, than the overlaying society they settled in.

    But even then, the "the Lord of the house makes the rules" still applies without question. If refraining from pointing the blame, though, one can assist each other on where, and how, we're ruining our future generations in blindly following our educational and occultural habits.

    (This idea would be to anarchosocialistic to sell to any politician currently at the political food table, though...)
    That doesn't work yet, as the laws and regulations themselves are still confined and dominated by an economical belief system, which is still on a stage demanding outer markets being available anytime by definition. We'd have to pull together 90% of the worlds combined resources for around 100 to 150 years to keep that religion sustained. All while rushing into the next dark age even faster, while pushing the probability for human extinction from the (imho) low double digits up to being almost as certain, as the coming dark age is practically unavoidable already. (If the politicians would just have listened to the Hippies in the 70s. Re-biotoping cities and bringing our technology on a basis of regrowing ressources may have been our only real chance to avoid both ...)
    Don't underestimate us Germans and the relationships to our dogs. 'Kadavergehorsam' is a German word for a reason, after all. As is the term 'vorrauseilender Gehorsam'.

    Though I have to admit, that in the last three years there's a drastic change occuring, at least here in Cologne: Dog 'owners' are massively stopping to treat their dogs like they actually own them, but more like a friend sharing the same space and only sometimes needs to be called to reason. (Similar to the weedhead using your closet for a room. You never want to live without him, but sometimes he just doesn't know when to stop ...) And that change reflects back on the general behaviour noticeably.
    There are a lot of politicians, where I'd agree to your statement. But Merkel comes over more as half being on the train out of conviction, while being pressured into it for the other half. Never, though, she appeared to me as not knowing, what she's doing. If I had to point fingers there, I'd put them firmly on the socalled 'Atlantic Bridge Connection' and their lackeys in the economy. These retards with a fervour should be thrown out of the political game to the degree, not even allowing them to work as a consultant for their buds in the economy.
    Has the 'Shame and Blame!'-game ever failed in that regard? (That's a game we really should just stop playing. All of us!) And then just add 'Fear! We need FEAR!' , or something like that. Usually works out quite fine, especially with a prussian burocracy system at its base.

    Though the modernized version of Scaphism that Schröder pulled over the whole workforce like a condom and is still widely accepted as being a "social wellfare program" is already working to quite some degree in that direction, may thwart itself in the process just by its own design: If all perspectives you're having is taking the Schierling in just different degrees of poison, the fear part drops down quite fast and takes 'Shame and Blame' with it, while it's at it. (Seeing this happening over the course of this year. Not substantial yet, but ...)
    That's the beauty of this basic income concept at this point of time. It's essentially just up to change the directives of the Worldbank from prohibiting basic income to encouraging/enforcing it, and all export oriented countries would have to adapt or be drowned under the pyramid scheme it represents.

    Or should the Chinese be the first adapting a basic income model. The necessity to adept would be the same, though the guys of the World Bank should be well aware of what happens to the people not at the top of the pyramid.
    Count Portugal as the last internal straw, to push things into a healthy direction again. If it fails, then World Depression and galopping inflations, here we come!
    I was scared shitless long before Durdan let out his first article. That was more like a 'finally someone is talking straight' kinda experience. (Edith says: "And it was only 25 to 30 years to late, to do something about it ...")
    Once in a time, we got a division of Betriebswirtschaftslehre and Volkswirtschaftslehre over here. And it was a good division. Then came the Bachelor/Master-change. And with it, even the Volkswirtschaftslehre has started only teaching Betriebswirtschaft in disguise. But neither has yet come to acknowledge, or even realized, that the rules in a closed global inner market are changed from what they cover. The economical toolset just ain't fit for the situation anymore and is just holding hammers, where we'd need screwdrivers and hydraulics. We're in need of a new toolset! ASAP!
     
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