How does Infinity actually beat immunity?

BuRiZaN

Banned
How does Infinity actually beat immunity?

This confuses me greatly. There are two different attributes which seem to do it: the aura, and the - enemy lightning resistance.

Which one actually beats the immunity thought? I don't think it can be the aura because it only removes lite rest rather than all other immunities - which leads me to believe it is down the the - enemy lightning resitance.

Although even this doesnt make sense, as cold sorcs constantly stuggle against the masses of immunities even though their mastery supposedly beats it.

Assuming it was the former, why does it only work for lite?

Assuming it is the latter, could I therefore overcome immunities with facets? If this is the case, am I right in assuming immunes have effectively 110res, so a few choice facets could take care of them?

I have probably made some error here but please give me answers to my mad ramblings!
 

DH Amazon

Diabloii.Net Member
Re: How does Infinity actually beat immunity?

This confuses me greatly. There are two different attributes which seem to do it: the aura, and the - enemy lightning resistance.

Which one actually beats the immunity thought? I don't think it can be the aura because it only removes lite rest rather than all other immunities - which leads me to believe it is down the the - enemy lightning resitance.

Although even this doesnt make sense, as cold sorcs constantly stuggle against the masses of immunities even though their mastery supposedly beats it.

Assuming it was the former, why does it only work for lite?

Assuming it is the latter, could I therefore overcome immunities with facets? If this is the case, am I right in assuming immunes have effectively 110res, so a few choice facets could take care of them?

I have probably made some error here but please give me answers to my mad ramblings!
Its aura. Low resist curse is other way to break immunes.

Facets etc.. and that -resist (if sorc uses polearm herself) are there to help killing after immunes is broken. Without any -resist items monsters (those that are broken) have still around 95% or more resist, so without -resist items, those are very hard to kill.

Lightning immunes monster have low resist, around 110% so they can be broken.

Cold immunes are around 175%, so its impossible to break them. Those are high because cold mastery works like any -resist item. Cold sorc are even now overpowered, way way way too overpowered if conviction aura could broke those cold immunes. It just one way to keep game at least in some balance.



 

Thyiad

Moderator Single Player, D2 Assassin, Barbarian
Re: How does Infinity actually beat immunity?

So is your attitude.
 

ProfessionalBerg

Diabloii.Net Member
Re: How does Infinity actually beat immunity?

Um... Yes, I am really sorry. I'm just pretty exhausted right now, and then another immunity thread pops up... My bad.:undecided:
 

BuRiZaN

Banned
Re: How does Infinity actually beat immunity?

Thanks amazon, really cleared things up.

@ berg: I did look through a bit, and thought if it wasn't in the stickied library thread it wasn't there, which evidently isn't the case.
 

ProfessionalBerg

Diabloii.Net Member
Re: How does Infinity actually beat immunity?

Which is why I proposed to sticky that thread :azn: Anyway, you can use the forum's built-in Search feature. It is really faulty, but it should at least net you some result upon searching for "immunity" or "immunities".
 

mephiztophelez

Diabloii.Net Member
Re: How does Infinity actually beat immunity?

Ernir's Things you SHOULD know about D2, section 2
Ernir said:
2. Can immunities be removed?

Yes, they can. Monsters immune to a damage type are classified as monsters with 100 or more percentage resistance to the damage type in question. If you lower the monster's resistance below 100%, you can damage the monster.
There are only two things that can remove elemental immunities: The Paladin's Conviction aura, and the Necromancer's Lower Resist curse. Conviction Aura also doesn't affect Poison resistance. The Necromancer curses Amplify damage and Decrepify can remove physical immunity.
All other types of -resist (Facets, Cold Mastery, Griffon's Eye) do NOT have an effect on immune monsters.
Also, all the spells mentioned above work at 20% efficiency when dealing with immune monsters. Example: A hell Doom Knight has 110% Fire resist, meaning it is immune to fire. That Doom Knight is hit by a level 3 Conviction Aura, which under normal circumstances would lower the monster's fire resistance by 40%. However, since the monster is immune, the Conviction aura only works at 20% efficiency, making those 40% in effect only 8%. The calculation is: 110 - 40*0.2 = 102 fire res, making the monster still immune.
This fact makes it much harder to break immunities. There are monsters whose immunities are simply impossible to break. Hell Oblivion Knights, for example, have 180% cold resist. Doesn't matter what you throw at it, it is impossible to break.
Even though you can combine Lower Resist and Conviction (the resist reduction percentages are simply lumped together and the combined number reduced to 20%), any resist >= 145 can not be broken, even with a Level 25 Conviction (-150% Resist All) and a Level 60 Lower Resist (-70% Resist All). Thanks to Technomage-C01 and BIGeyedBUG for pointing that out, and Tommi and Adeyke for the information.
-res from items and other skills are not completely useless when dealing with immune monsters, though, because once the immunity has been broken, these items take effect.
Physical immune monsters are monsters with a physical resistance of 100 or more. This immunity can (as mentioned above) be removed using the curses Amplify damage (which gives -100% physical resist) or Decrepify (which gives -50% physical resist). Again, the same penalties apply to Amplify Damage and Decrepify as to the elemental immunities.

You can look up monsters' resistances here:
http://www.battle.net/diablo2exp/monsters/
 

Thyiad

Moderator Single Player, D2 Assassin, Barbarian
Re: How does Infinity actually beat immunity?

I use this quick list as to what Immunities Infinity will break

Re searching: Use Google advanced search and put forums.diabloii.net as the site. You can search for small words that the forum search would ignore.

@ berg - I learnt a long time ago a tired/annoyed person should walk away from the keyboard. You may use hand gestures, however. :smiley:
 
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