How do you people do it?

[Pistolero]

So when I do manage to find the occasional great item, or try to trade away some of them, I should be grateful that all the dupers pushed the prices down? I remember sitting in trade channels with my tals armor, and eventually giving it away for 1 pskull, cos no one wanted tals armor when they could get hexes.

If you want to follow this to it's logical conclusion, instead of getting stuff cheap, why not get it free? Go play open bnet.

 

[Æ’enris]

IMO, rune dupes have saved dueling from becoming 09 again.
Without enigmas and such, it would be 99% sorcs, and the smart ones tele so well they won't get hit by anything except maybe foh/traps/charge. Now that it's almost impossible to absorb the 10k+ spells, 90% of other builds would be screwed.

 

[x86]

hmm, if cheating is so good for everyone, why didnt blizzard just have open bnet then? I mean there, everything can be had easily. And why even bother with ladder?

There really is no point in having ladder seasons then if the point of the game is just to have 50 Enigmas.

And taking your supply and demand argument to the logical extreme, of duping is great, wouldnt it be totally awesome if everything was worth nothing, when the market is totally flooded? Inflation isnt a bad thing I guess.

 

[Wuhan_Clan]

people get rich easily because a lot of people:
-bot 24/7
-scam other players (anni scam) is commong
-dupe
-play d2 way too much

There have been a lot of replies to this thread but I have to say this one made the most sense.

I bolded "play d2 way too much" because this is how I got rich. MFing for hours every night. I was addicted to the game. My real life suffered but my D2 life was flourishing.

The only thing missing from the post by xKurup but mentioned in other posts is trading. If you are looking for a certain gear, you are almost guarenteed to never find all of it yourself so you have to trade for it. Many people can make very good trade profits over time.

[edit] And you are guarenteed to not legitly make any godly 1.10 runewords unless you are really REALLY REALLY play d2 way WAY WAY too much.[/edit]

There is simply no other way to build up a fortune through legit means.


(For the record, my best runes excluding forge quest are 1.09 Gul from cows and 1.10 Ohm from travincal)

 

[spencert]

A bit of planning like UPGRADE the rune or... SOCKET it immediately will ensure runes won't disappear rite?

 

[Artimus20]

i can't stand dupes. i have nothing that it duped. cheaters suck. BUT, bottom line is lifes old age antage, survival of the fittest. my moto is "use what you find, sell the crap". Am i "D2 rich", not at all, do i have fun, yes.

 

[ewc2003]

Dupes and Legitimate Playing

OK, after this thread Blizzard should have a secret horse level, since we have more than pounded the proverbial dead horse.

Do I dupe? No. Do I know how? No. Why? Maybe because like most of the players that choose to participate in the forums, it's not about having 10 HOTOs ( i just figured out what that was), it's about having fun in the games.

Do I maphack? No. Why? Something about keeping the game real just keeps coming up.

My point is I'm 32, enjoy playing the game (which I'm still learning each day), and enjoy the finer parts of the game. The only rune words I've ever made on B.Net are Lore and a buttload of Steel for my weapons. Oh, yeah I made a "Stealth" for my Zon. I do keep every one of my runes on one char.... I must have a dozen Thuls LOL.

Do I PvP? Hell no. Am I scared about dying? Please... Some dumb f**k with an eth BOTD and COH or whatever.... Just to prove what? He (or she) spends WAY WAY WAY to much time on D2, and knows how to illegitamately crack a part of the game?

Do I worry about the "D2 Economy"? Hell no, when it costs me almost $2 a gallon for gas (my parents don't give me an allowance), almost $1000 a month for my aparment.... No it's the REAL economy I'm worried about, but I digress....

Just my two cents....

PS Now if I could only get a decent drop from all the squirrels I hit on the way to work... THEN I'd be in business.

 

[Fafner]

The dupes and bots are why I play SP, that way if I ever get lucky enough to see Zod (I wont) then I can make a legit BotD and feel like I deserve the overpowered nonsense that it is, same with CoH, and Enigma, although we have about 7-8 legit ones on the SPF forum (not me...heh highest I have is Lionheart).

You don't need super items to have fun in the game as it has been pointed out. Duping runes and such just shows that you have to keep up with the Joneses, and so on. I actually deleted, thats right deleted a questionable rune I had (Mal, big deal right, my highest is self-found Vex from uber-chest in the pit).

Anyway if you want to try to find legit runes, Urlik_Sarsol (sp?) compiled a nice mathematical guide to finding runes and so far it's proved pretty reliable, its in the SPF, as well as some other nice guides. You'll probably never find a Zod using it, but you'll dramatically increase your chances for ones like Ohm and so on.

I'm sorry that b-net has gotten so bad, I hope for legit players, that at least ladder can stay somewhat pure, but based on some of the above posts thats like hoping for democracy in Iraq.

 

[LexmarkX73]

You don't need super items to have fun in the game

hmm im having more fun after earning them legitamitly

also, unless you have a strong char you cant make it in hell, how is that fun?

just my 2 cents

 

[Fafner]

You don't need super items to have fun in the game

hmm im having more fun after earning them legitamitly

also, unless you have a strong char you cant make it in hell, how is that fun?

just my 2 cents

2 builds at least from every class can do this...start with untwinked one and work from there, MF is so easy in 1.10. Although I do admit you are handicapped in b-net with # of players...3 players is fine for Hell, NM Meph and Baal as well, Andy will drop great no matter...pindle is players1. You can check out SPF for a list of Hell viable builds that are all do-able without runeword-like items.

 

[sheepgoat]

i used to play way too much and got pretty lucky. since ladder i have found 4x um, vex, 2x ist, and some items eth berzerker axe and other high end items. since 1.10 came out i have not botted or used maphack at all. i like to keep track of the econimy cuz i've profited off of sellting things high and buying low and i find tons of fun in that.

recently i also profited from my friend quitting and giving me his accounts. he didn't have to much just some shako's and fire, p&b, and something chamrs.

duping i don't care for but i kinda like it. if it wasn't for the rune dupe i would never had been able to make any runewords or anything. the high runes are still hard to get, but at least they are possible. i just recently traded for my first soj and felt great about it. i'm very close to getting my first enigma and its great. its always been my goal but i never thought it would happen. the main key is just upgrading runes.

p.s. i feel like i have posted in this thread before, but i cannot find my post, if i have i know i am dumb and ignore me. thanks

 

[greystag]

My suggestions so as not to get bored.
1. Trade for it: one good cookie cutter fireorb/fireball sorc for mf mephruns. Trade good items for runes. Good chance you will trade for a duped rune though so store that rune on a mule and don't enter games with other people cuz sometimes they go poof on you and disappear.
2. Forge quests: Twink a char (I like sorcs) with gear for normal and nmare/hell. Do forges. Played ladder for a couple of months, creating a new sorc each weekend and getting the sorc to hell act 4. Found several ists, ums and 1 gul in that time and a bunch of mid level runes like lem, ko, pul etc.

Alternate between your mf sorc and the forge sorc and it won't get too boring. Or pick any char that you prefer.

Best I ever saw drop was a vex and some other dude got it .

 

[tunarle]

Hrm... Dupes? Why do people raise such a stink over them? In the end, they do sort of benifit us all, whether we realize it or not.

No. Dupes benefit those who sell them, those who buy them, and those who use them. Contrary to (apparently) widely-held opinion, not everyone sells, buys, or uses dupes.

<snip>
The reduced prices allow people who play legitimately to purchase these items at lower cost - and thus with less time spent playing the game. (Time is money, right?) Whether you like it or not, Dupes benifit you, at least with the exception of temporary server strain, and lag.

No. On the contrary; proliferation of dupes and bots drives down the value of legitimately-found items and on the whole forces a legitimate player to play _longer_ to find items with great trade value.

Your position is based on a flawed premise--that to be godly you need the high-level runewords and other items considered godly in the skewed economy. This premise is flawed because without duping and botting, high-level runewords would be virtually non-existent, and you would not need them to be godly nor to compete with other players in duels. Lower-level items would be considered godly, and the very few players who were able to put together one high-level runeword would be considered insane.

My personal view on people who take a fanatical stance against dupes, third party programs, and taking advantage of bugs in the game and/or server code for Diablo II that allow you to gain an advantage over other players is simply this: Pull the pinecone out of your ***, and lighten up. It's just a game.

Games have rules. With duping, the rules are obfuscated. Duping makes it so that you can't use your in-game experience to judge the value of items. Item value becomes mostly dependent on how many times the item has been duped, rather than on how rare or useful the item is. With duping, the "game" becomes more of a sandbox than an organized endeavor with well-structured guidelines. The rules are changing all the time, and that is not a good experience for a legitimate gamer.

Some of you may rebut by saying that you enjoy Diablo II in it's pure un-tarnished state, without dupes, and without cheats. That's fair enough, if you want Diablo II on battle.net in it's un-tarnished state, don't trade, or if you do trade, don't trade for items that you know are commonly duped. Knowledge is power people. Read, learn, and observe. Knowing which items are duped isn't hard. Just watch the economy, and notice prices that drive down more steeply than usual.

Here I agree with you. The only way to an untainted experience is to avoid trading. A shame, really, given that trading would otherwise be an exciting part of the game.

The bottom line is, Bots, The Maphack, and Dupes, athough they do have negative side-effects, are benifiting you, whether you use them or not. You can complain about the server strain issues they bring up, and you can complain that they tarnish your precious online gaming experience, but the next time you go out to trade for a Jah, Ber, Ist, Vex, Sur, Zod, or basically any runeword out there, not to mention the many other various duped items floating around on the realms, just remember. Dupes, Bots, and in some cases, the Maphack, made it possible for you to purchase that item as cheaply as you did, and thus reduced the amount of time you would have had to spend online by minutes, if not hours, or even days.

You're speaking for yourself, because apparently you trade for items that are obviously duped. Some of us do not.

 

[the_leaf]

i think all u ppl crying about the ******* hackers are just losers and get beat up all the time. u a-holes just live this game, and for the record, i use MH. im not ashamed, im proud. ur prolly crying b/c u have **** on ur acnt. ive been scammed, but i dont cry like a mammas boy and yell at them to give it back. sometimes the ppl who whine over bother me more than the dupers, and if i had the chance, i prolly would dupe a zod or vex. so stop being a *** and live ur **** life JEEZ

 

[Slim]

I've been lucky I guess... I found a mal and um doing hell forge. I also found a 25% Levi that i traded for a Tal Ammy. Now that I have the entire Tals set im finding absolutly nothing with my new mf sorc. There was that run, however, where I found a 39% Gheeds.

 

[tunarle]

i think all u ppl crying about the ******* hackers are just losers and get beat up all the time. u a-holes just live this game,

You've completely missed the point. The complaint is not about effectiveness. The complaint is about cheaters/dupers/botters rendering legitimate play less materially rewarding.

and for the record, i use MH. im not ashamed, im proud. ur prolly crying b/c u have **** on ur acnt.

Actually, I don't need or want maphack to mf effectively. Thanks.

sometimes the ppl who whine over bother me more than the dupers, and if i had the chance, i prolly would dupe a zod or vex. so stop being a *** and live ur **** life JEEZ

No need to get defensive.

 

[hittitian]

You guys won't believe this. My recent hellforge runs with forge mules got me 4 guls in a row. I even thought it as a bug that any low lev chars being rushed by 90ish hammerdin surely get Guls from hellforge anytime. My 5th mule got me Ist, and my luck had worn out. It's all luck.

 

[LordDrift]

Basically the arguement is

Dupes vs Non Dupes

How can you say you have fun playing legit and those who use duped runes dont have fun? Because they have BOTD they spend to much time playing the game?

Bottom line is, everyone plays to have fun. You can call the market rune flooders cheaters/dupers but they do it for fun as well, instead of finding stuff they create new methods to dupe, hey thats a hobby as well...

At least the item hackers are gone...Ith Bows, Quarks...the economy yes, its flooded but its also benefiting us in a way whether we like it or not. The people who try to change others minds, stop ur wasting ur time typing to them, people are hard headed. LEts all leave it at that because this topic got way out of hand.

Mods? Please close this thread because its way off topic