How do we know life is real? Is a Matrix theory possible?

[stephan]

Re: How do we know life is real? Is a Matrix theory possible?

I'm afraid it is you who is mistaken. They are not describing progress, they are describing changes in human biology.

 

[HegemonKhan]

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err, that's true, but evolution is different from minor minor differences in the genetics of humans over time. evolution is a bit more significant changes...it's hard to describe or explain...

all life under goes genetic modification, either due to mutation or sex or outside interference (pollution or alchohol or whatever). evolution is greater change than this.

 

[stephan]

Re: How do we know life is real? Is a Matrix theory possible?

Evolution incorporates changes small and large. You do not seem to know the common definition of it. It does not require formation of new species, only a change in trait from one generation to another.

 

[HegemonKhan]

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err, you right. evolution is both macro and micro changes.

 

[Galabab]

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For everybody nterested in Physics i recomend, prof Mullers Physics for presidents.
You can watch all like 20 lectures on google.video. No calculations involved.
Very cool viewing. Muller is really funny and explains well.
When i watched all 20 lectures i was sad there aint any more...

btw. Muller even answered MY EMAIL!
He sooo cool!

 

[stillman]

Re: How do we know life is real? Is a Matrix theory possible?

One example of evolution taking place is when the Black Death plague wiped out a quarter of our population. After this event, there was a much greater proportion of people immune to it than before.

 

[HegemonKhan]

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ah, i finally realize what i was suppose to be saying... evolution has stopped in humans in terms of humans becoming a new species or macro type evolution has stopped in humans.

sorry for the confusion everyone. the scientists say that humans macro evolution has stopped. humans won't evolve into some new different species. my bad for relaying the wrong info. this is what the scientists meant.
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an interesting thing about parasitical diseases (bacteria or viruses):

they will actually stop or give a "ceasefire", to let the host repopulate. if the parasitical virus or bacteria were to wipe out its host, it dies too.

the black death is a great example of this. the black death did NOT get blocked by immunity. it mysteriously stopped. letting people reproduce back their number, before the next wave of black death hit again. there were at least 3 waves of black death. maybe up to 6 waves. i can't remember if it's only 3 waves or up to 6 waves of black death hit europe.

 

[stephan]

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That is also not what 'they' are saying. Please quote.

 

[Dondrei]

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Oh yes we are. So long as people with certain genetic characteristics have more babies than people without them, evolution continues. If I were to have 20 kids, the genes I have would have much more impact on the gene pool than someone who had 1. It's nothing you'll perceive over the course of a human lifetime, but that doesn't mean that it's not there.

But they're not. At least, not due to a causal connection.

that's not evolution.....

humans going from our "cavemen" times to modern times might be significant change within our human history, but its not evolution. it's PROGRESS, but not evolution.

evolution has a very specific meaning. don't mistake "evolution" that is used so commonly for anything to actually mean or have anything to do with what evolution really means/is.

Well, I believe some evolution occurred in parallel to that. Depending on how far back you mean by "caveman times".

 

[hhessel]

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Have you seen ' What the bleep do we know' ?
If not, you def. should.
But I do believe we're already kind of in a Matrix world. It's all a huge scam and most of us are too blind to see it.

 

[krischan]

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If we are unable to see through the "matrix", it makes no sense to distinguish between it and "reality" and your assumption would have no consequences. It could as well be the other way around.

But I think we are running in circles. Is this the second or the third round ? :scratchchin:

 

[s4nder]

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Are you joking? Can you point out ten misspellings? It should be easy if there are so many that it interferes with basic communication.

Grammar is more than just spelling. It's funny how someone who can almost perfectly spell decides to forgo all capitalization and paragraph structure and introduce "u"-s just to reduce the readability and credibility of the text.

Maybe I'm used to the high standard of grammar in this forum but regardless of that I am bothered by willful ignorance.

 

[SnickerSnack]

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Grammar is more than just spelling.

onder:

You might want to read your post again:

An interesting post, though it would have had more impact with proper spelling .

His grammar and formatting is somewhat distracting though.

 

[BobCox2]

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Originally Posted by HegemonKhan
we don't even know why a table is hard when it is made of atoms that are 99% empty space. and thats assuming we are right about their being atoms (quantum theory)

We refer to the basic forces of repulsion to explain that. I don't remember which one it is. (the electric force maybe?). -snickersnack
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err, not the best example, you're probably right, that the E-M force (u said u didnt know which force it is, it is the E-M force) explains this.

i should have said it this way instead:

the E-M force explains how the table can be and is solid ("hard") despite that it's made up of atoms that are 99% empty space or nothing. but, it doesn't explain why or how we see the table, why don't we see the 99% empty space that it is made of, why do we see a table when there is no table, it's just empty space. how is there a visible table from empty space?
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explanation of how the E-M force makes the table solid ("hard"):

background info:

big bang:

1 super force originally. it than for some reason, broke into the 4 forces and through inflation was exploded out...giving us what we understand as the universe.

the 4 forces that we are so familiar with (at least those who know-interested in science or science career-job-classes):

strong force (nuclear force. it holds the protons and neutrons together making the nucleus possible. it's this force's bonds that are broken and re-connected that gives us nuclear energy either for a plant or a weapon-bomb).

(well the neutrons might be held together by the gluon's? Rather than by the strong force but that's getting into too much detail. i can't remember if gluon's is right or not if that what the gluon's do, holding the neutrons together or something else. gluon's, mesons, neutrinos, and etc are the other sub-atomic particles. protons, neutrons, and electrons aren't the only sub atomic particles)

weak force (radioactive decay. the "destroyer" force. breaks down uranium into lead. it's like the backward force of sun-solar fusion, undoing what stars-suns do with fusion)

gravity force: (pull or inward or attraction force. the puny-EST and weakest force but at the macro scale it is the force that controls the universe and all macro physics like black holes, the red shift, big bang, universe, stars, falling on your rear lol, etc etc.

E-M force (electro-magnetism force. "opposites attract". "+" charge and "-" charge attraction and "maybe" male and female attraction. explains static electricity when u shock people even still as an adult *grins* i can't grow out of it! and why your hair stands up or why water coming out your sink facet will bend to your charged hair comb and etc..)

(scientists are so imaginary EXCEPT with names! electricity and magnetism are the SAME thing, and creatively (sarcasm) scientists have named this now old discovery electro-magnetism. its the same lack of creativity with space-time and matter-energy. Einstein with his E=MC^2 showed us that matter and energy are the same thing and with his time dilation showed us that space and time are the same thing, space-time, so creative (sarcasm).

anyways finally about E-M: it is also what keeps electrons whizzing around the nucleus of an atom

and long last:

it's theorized that the POWERFUL E-M force that creates a "magical" bond between the nucleus and the electrons whizzing around, is what keeps a person or car or meteor "falling" from a cliff or building or space due to puny weak force of gravity, from "falling" right through the entire earth or ground and out the other side of the planet earth.

this theory also explains why the table is solid ("hard") despite being made up of 99% empty space or nothing.

gravity is very very weak compared to the 3 other forces, but people get confused because they only see gravity on a massive scale and understandably think it is a powerful force when it really isn't. i don't wanna imagine the other 3 forces at the same scale as gravity is, in fact, the universe/existence would NOT be possible if the 3 other forces reached the same scale as gravity can and is at.

I let my spell check correct the above FIFY

I am with the old time Philosophers on this whole question, and so I find it very hard to respond on the Internets as the classic response to someone that sprouts off with this Bull-Poop Maya http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maya_(illusion) Argument is to pick up a rock and hit them with it. Then ask if it's real?
Then ask then if that helps them understand that the world is real?
If they still claim to be unsure of what reality is try a bigger rock and aim for the head this time.
This will win the argument every time.
I can't hit you over the internet but try it in real life and it will settle you mind.

 

[HegemonKhan]

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laughs, that's a good experiment, nice and direct. i like it

though techincally (scientifically)......

that pain of getting smacked by the rock isn't from the rock. your brain literally creates/manifests the pain that u wrongly think u are feeling from the rock hitting u.

the rock is completely unable to be proven with science.

the prevaling theory, string theory, says that, that rock is really a pattern, a string, or a "squiggle" (my word). (pretend u are a baby and trying to draw. this is string theory's view of the "building blocks" of existance). this matches up with how your brain self-creates/manifests the pain u wrongly think u are feeling. u DO sense the energy/wave/string/pattern/squiggle of the "rock". your brain takes that energy and decides to self create/manifest pain. there's nothing that proves that the rock is really there though in its solid round and bumpy shape that we wrongly think exists

 

[Johnny]

Re: How do we know life is real? Is a Matrix theory possible?

laughs, that's a good experiment, nice and direct. i like it

though techincally (scientifically)......

that pain of getting smacked by the rock isn't from the rock. your brain literally creates/manifests the pain that u wrongly think u are feeling from the rock hitting u.

the rock is completely unable to be proven with science.

And that's why it doesn't work on an internet forum. If tested properly on you then your answer would be "yes sir it feels very real"