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how do i improve my fishy?

Discussion in 'Necromancer' started by zatip, Jun 28, 2010.

  1. zatip

    zatip IncGamers Member

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    how do i improve my fishy?

    First of i just wanna say hi to everyone since it's my first post in the necro forums. ;)

    I started a fishymancer on ladder a qouple of weeks ago, the main reason for my fishy is to run WSK / Baal and other lvl 85 areas.

    Over the past weeks i've had some lucky drops and made some nice trades, resulting in a bit of wealth in the stash and a not-to-crappy Enigma on my chest.

    But i still run into trubbel almost every WSK run.

    I would very much appreciate any hints or tips how to improve so i can run WSK and Baal more effectivly.

    My stat, gear and skill setup are as follows:

    at lvl 85
    str: enough for gear
    dex: None
    vita: every single point not used in str
    ene: obviously none

    Ptopaz Shako
    Mara 25
    2xLem Alibaba+rhyme trollsnest
    AoKL + Pdiamond homu (for summoning)
    13ed mp Enigma
    2 random +mf rings
    goldwrap
    38% chanceguards
    42% Wartraveler

    some xx 16 necro T in inventory.

    With this setup i have 14 negative resists in hell with my mf gear (probably missed anya quest somewhere though)

    Merc:
    gulliums face
    average non-eth levithan
    non-eth cv Insight runeword

    20 skellies
    20 mastery
    20 Mages
    1 in all other summoning skill

    20 corpse explosion
    1 teeth
    1 bone armor

    1 amp
    1 weaken
    1 terror
    1 decrep

    with this build i get 11 skilllvl 36 skellies and 11 sklvl 35 mages.

    As you can see ive taken bits and pieces from both the original fishy and Zarni'z version of the build and combined these with the skills that i like using.

    I must say that i enjoy running with firegolem up almost constantly because of how the aura removes threat from me. you may also notice how i lack some curses in my build, (DV for instance). this is because i haven't really tried it enough to see a use of it. If ive made a terrible misstake not speccing for it, please tell :)

    Now on to some questions/discussion ;)

    1) Where should i look to improve in my gear? what rings should i serch for? whispprojectors?

    2) Besides from getting a better torch and a nice ress ani, do i need to up my resist? how much should i try to get?

    3) Since im using my homu only for summoning purposes i didn't bother to get maxblock with my rhyme. should i respecc and pump my dex up anyway?

    4) What golem should i use? Like i said before i enjoy the fire golem, but it seems like i dont share the general oppinion ?

    5) Last but not least, the Merc. what to do, what to do. Is he fine? Should i dedicate a couple of weeks of running to afford an infinity? if i do i need a insight IG, do i need to get more points in golemmastery then?

    hopefully you've had the patience just to read through the whole post :p and maybe have some answers and ideas for me :)

    Thanks in advance

    /zatip
     
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  2. Doctor Clock

    Doctor Clock IncGamers Member

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    Re: how do i improve my fishy?

    1/2.) You need more resists. At the very least, get your lightning up to 75% (Gloams in WSK). I'd probably swap out the Ali Baba for a Wizardspike. Wisp would work, Tgods would be cheaper.

    3.) I always run max block. Necros don't get a lot of hp for each point in Vitality so you don't miss out on as much hp as you would on other characters.

    4.) Most people will say use Clay Golem. The slow is helpful. I actually use Blood Golem when running WSK for the free health regen and switch to Clay for Baal. Clay Golem + Decrepify make bosses a joke.

    5.) If you are running in /player 1 games to mf, your merc should be killing things in a couple hits and a few Corpse Explosions should kill everything else. Infinity is great, but not necessary. My merc uses Infinity. I just drink mana pots as they drop.

    Get at least 1 point in DV. It makes life a lot easier.
     
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    Re: how do i improve my fishy?

    1/2 ,Aim for these things in order of importance...... Resists/Skills/Life/Stats untill you have 75 all res then just focus on skills and stats.

    3. If your not using homuncalus in main battle gear dont put any points in dex beyond what you need for your weapon.

    4. Clay golem has slow and fire golem looks cool. Either is fine.

    5. Find a elite pole and put insighting to it . Eth if possible and it will sort him for damage.
     
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    Re: how do i improve my fishy?

    You seem to have too much magic find compared to resistances. You don't mention the belt but I would use a Thundergod's Vigor for lightning res. Also, I would remove one magic find ring for a resist all ring (the other should be SOJ, but that is expensive) and use a Homunculus instead of Rhyme while magic finding (you get both resists and max blocking). Of course resist all small charms are very valuable if you can find any. I like Magefist better than Chance Guards personally.

    Making MF runs faster and surviving more of them increases results better than having 300+ MF. IST IST Ali Baba, Enigma, PTopaz Shako, War Travs, and Gheed's Fortune should be enough MF to get you WAY past diminishing returns. Don't waste other spots on MF (rings, amulets, gloves, shields, belt, other charms).

    The only bad stat allocation is using mages instead of the curses. Mages are useless, the skill points are better spent with 1 point in each curse because of how slow mages are to kill anything. The extra points can then be used in bone wall (to synergize bone armor) or in iron golem (you'll often have valueless but cheap metal items; eg. bonesnap or IK maul).
     
  5. zatip

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    Re: how do i improve my fishy?

    Thankyou both for the tips.

    Got myslef a Tgods, a 18/17wisp and a wizzy.
    Respecced for DV and will try it out;)
    Dropped fire golem and will try the blood golem out.

    Also got my dex up to maxblock for both rhyme and homu.

    should be a walk in the park by now;) its sad to lose all the mf and eg though:S
     
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    Re: how do i improve my fishy?

    I can agree with you on the fact that they kill very slow campared to the skellies. but i like the extra meatshield;)

    the debate about the summoner 4th skill will probably go on forever, but ill try the IG/bonearmor synergi ways out.

    thanks

    /zatip


     
  7. Aldeth the Foppish Idiot

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    Re: how do i improve my fishy?

    Honestly, the use of mages is completely optional, and is up to personal preference. They certianly don't hurt. With a lvl 35 Skel Mage and Mastery, you are looking at about 300 points per attack from fire and lightning mages. So 11 mages would yield 3300 damage per volley - nothing to sneeze at, and certainly not worthless.

    As far as curses are concerned, it comes down to how much +skill gear you have. I typically run with just a point in all curses, because I have about +8 to all skills, and I find level 9 in my curses adequate.

    The easiest way to improve your resistances would be to move your pdiamond Homu to your main shield. You will get a big boost to your resistances, and the +25% mf is actually pretty small. The diminishing returns for mf really kicks in once you get to around 250%. So I generally shoot for somewhere in the range of 200%-300% - more is always more, but once you start approaching 300%, more isn't that much more.
     
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    Re: how do i improve my fishy?

    You have no crowd control.

    I'm a big proponent of dim vision.
     
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    Re: how do i improve my fishy?

    That's really not nessisary for a summoner, save for souls with their piercing lightning going through your mobs.

    He's already got a maxed out CE, which is all he'll really need in the end.


     
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    Re: how do i improve my fishy?

    gotta agree with Ghoulz, Dim vision is exactly like mages, Season to taste after your main ingredients of Skeles/Skelemastery and a dash of corpse explosion.

    I'm a huge fan of mages even when im dirt poor because I love the extra Bone shields that hang back around my *** unlike my skeles which rush off to engage leaving me vulnerable to attack.

    My MF gear recommendation

    Shako S/ Ptopaz
    Enigma
    Ali Baba S/IST IST if possible
    Homunculus S/ PD or UM I lean towards the UM to squeeze the most resists into the slot.
    Chancies
    Goldwrap
    War Travellers
    Rings and Amulets are prismatic first and formost as we already have WAY too much MF so we need to aim for +75 on MF gear.
     
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    Re: how do i improve my fishy?

    after reading through the first replies i did som changes to my build and gear.

    specced for DV ( wow have i missed out on something !! )
    didnt even bother to get a point i fire golem and it worked out well.

    also changed my goldwrap to a Tgods, got a whisp and a soj, changed out alibaba for wizzy. also invested in dex to get maxblock.

    the improvement ive made is incredible, my WSK runs goes smooth and the time it takes has gone down dramaticly.

    so i sincerly thank all of you for the help :)
     
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    Re: how do i improve my fishy?

    I'd replace the wizzy with hoto ^_^
     
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    Re: how do i improve my fishy?

    that's a great idea, but i dont think i can afford to lose atleast [email protected]


     
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    Re: how do i improve my fishy?

    Yup keep the Wizzy on.......Resists solved most of your problems.
     
  15. Aldeth the Foppish Idiot

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    Re: how do i improve my fishy?

    Agree. Besides, in the case of a spread out pack of gloams where you don't have a high DV, you can always attract one of them, which usually buys you enough time to shut down the rest.



     
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    Re: how do i improve my fishy?

    Nothing is ever neccessary.

    It will remove most of the few deaths summoners occasionally run into from EVERYTHING except 2-3 packs of champ style mobs with huge auras.



     

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