How badly bm is slow by % ?

mystified

mystified

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How badly bm is slow by % ?

hate using ctas...

So my weapon switch on pally is grief, main in HoJ (guess what I am lol)

But this means I got about same life as lowly sorc (forgive me all you skirt wearing character players. I mean no disrespect :grin: )

but I reallly don;t wanna let go of both weapons. Makes my life easy..(now if only they made 3rd weapon slot and make D2 into more like FPS ... and flashbangs and annoying radio commands!!!!)

anyway, that's kinda OT.

what I really want is to reach breakpoint with zeal/smite using Astroen, nice +dmg and +4 skills with 33% CB. Only catch...damned slow by %
I was hoping to use nosferatu as well, which would again result in high slow by %.

Now, how badly bm is slow? (nec's damned golem uses it. Love you) Or shuld I say @ what % are they bm?
I really don't want to use the if they are bm, but if now..I think this is way to go.
 
mystified

mystified

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thatwasshockin//lol tru in pubs :)
was thinking of death zealer earlier and came with same problem before. Where the hell am I gonna get 60? :p
wanted steelrend for that massive def but had to go for 20 ias glove instead, coa (15 ias jewls) and eth shaft for def + DR, which meant I needed 10 more IAS. but belt sucked with Slow..
 
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Hyphy

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10%+ is BM

this reminds me of a story.


I joined a nm duel pub b/c all hell pubs where full

a level 80 zon is hosted to every1 and is pretty much raping the game. my , lvl 82 zon kills it will Ease....


so the zon says, Ok.

go's to his/her stash ad buts on blackhorn from what i can see.

she says go and i run out and he get's a cheap shot on on me and alof asudden, I GET DECRIPED. she didn't switch to tombreaver or anything, i just basiclly got decriped and i cud bare move.

i died alot, then she went for pots, and i got bod, nk'd left.

slow is BAD i hate when barbs' but on dooMz vs me.

its' ***.
 
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SicHalo

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Slow is part of the game if ppl cry squelch and continue.

Ever tried fighting a anti barb smiter using, precise telesmite+ 35% slow from gear+ high lvl holy freeze flashing?
 
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Ce Olba

Banned
Oh please.

Why does this always appear? We have had an endless number of "What is BM?" topics, and always "slow" is listed as one, as well as Holy Freeze. So, why should someone start defining how much slow, when it's all defined as BM?

Heck, who even cares about such a minor thing? Yes, it can be a bit nerve wrecking, but if you don't like it, you should've made a character that is not affected by slow, as in a caster. It's the same when BvBs complain about a random sorc coming and killing them all. If it's so freaking freaky, why not make a private, passworded community? Shouldn't be that hard, there was one of those communities in THPS3 for quite a long time and there still is, to some extent. That kind of a community prevents the entrance of beginners as well as "bad people". However, unlike in THPS3, you could actually ban people from the game if you were hosting it. Now, you are going to say about it totally shutting out new people. Well, the way that the "new" people got the password to the closed community, or "pro", games, was for them to be good in random games open for everyone so that, if they get lucky, someone who has the password thinks they are good and will tell them the password.

How the hell cannot people make something so simple? Or are they just that freaking slow?

No, I don't consider any amount of slow to BM, and no, I'm not playing a caster, but a BvC.
 
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Moritz

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I use slow AND massive HF flashing on my welfare V/T and ok ... he's been created for Bm duels, but usually no one complains about slow.

I have 35% slow and flash a lot HF. Actually it's not really needed ... amas have no chance against a smiter anyway, slow and hf is nice against other smiters though.
BvCs and WWsins can be held in range for a longer time whereas slow/hf nerfs WWsins a lot more than BvCs (WWsins have to use fade and their whirlspeed is a lot slower than a barb's thus plus nerfs their trap laying speed immensely).
Trapsins get severely nerfed as well.

At least I wouldn't complain about slow, and not many others do; I play in EUSCNL.
 
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DayDream

DayDream

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I find 10% really slow but then again I haven't heard complaints about slow from pub duels.
 
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wizAdept

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inanefedaykin said:
Slow completely shuts down certain builds. It's like stacking res and sorb against casters.
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Slow shuts down flawed builds.
It's negative ias%, you can negate it (for trap speed or anything that uses ias bps) by having setups that stack ias. If slow shuts down your build stash some ias stack against it.

I understand slow being bm under melee dueling rules. It is certainly not bm in caster dueling, neither is holyfreeze or clay golem. Yes it is difficult to duel against if it effects your character's bps, that does not make it bm.

People need to stop crying bm because they don't know how to duel against it. This isn't 09 where there was permaslow, calling slow bm in 1.11 is like calling mindblast or smite bm. It's caster dueling, learn to adapt if it hurts your build.



 
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jesterlolz

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Well, smite is bm :laugh: .

Anyway, the reason a lot of people hate slow isn't really due to the damage it does to ias, but rather to the run/walk speed. For example, I was dueling this zon on my wolf who was using random wierd gear. He didn't have faith or anything. And somehow when I tried attacking him I moved at about 1/4 walking speed, while running. Anyways, I don't really consider it bm, but rather sorta funny.

(The only people it gets REALLY annoying with is the annoying necros who use their clay golem to make you move amazingly slow).
 
kohlman

kohlman

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To me slow is the exact same as a sorceress using any cold spell on a melee character that must move without teleport. Cold is a part of her build, slow is a part of other builds. people learn to stack resistances against the cold sorc without being bm, as long as they dont absorb, but they dont tell the sorc to stop using the cold spell.

My dreamer paladin has a hard time with ias for some reason and nosferatus coil gives some ias, and has slow on it. the only people that dont like my character is a zon and its not cause of the slow. Most people dont care much and just have to adjust accordingly unless its the clay golem and that is simply too fun for a necro to pass up.

There are plenty of ways to beat every character in the game, it just takes different skills and tactics. As much as people want an "over-all PvP slayer". there simply isnt one. This game wasnt designed for one specific character, as much as it seems to be *cough paladins cough*

Slow to me is not considered BM to me unless the creator of the game lays down the rules they want and he calls it BM.
 
mystified

mystified

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I have observed and taken everyone's opinion on that and conclustion is

...I will just squelch anyone who complains..if any :D

cool, this leaves me feeling good about using certain IAS belt and certain unique sceptre...and holy freeze :p
..maybe I can add clegaw, if not for my own IAS problem ;)
 
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Moritz

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mystified said:
I have observed and taken everyone's opinion on that and conclustion is

...I will just squelch anyone who complains..if any :D

cool, this leaves me feeling good about using certain IAS belt and certain unique sceptre...and holy freeze :p
..maybe I can add clegaw, if not for my own IAS problem ;)
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hm lol isn't the time when that unique scepter was being used over since grief? :D

on the rest: yeah. Don't listen to pubby tears, if they could lame you they would do so too.
for fair 1v1 better remove it =)



 
Josiphos

Josiphos

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I don't consider some slow bm.


Like various people said, you should build in extra ias anyways.


I take umbrage to 50% slow plus golem plus decrepify.

Just don't overdo it and you wont find yourself getting BM'd in return.


If everyone is bming...the game degenerates into an nk fest and its over.
 
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