HopeinChange - Obama's 2009 Budget Proposal

Amra

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Wasn't Jennifer Walcott a Playmate? :scratchchin:
 
Tanooki

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I read her wikipedia page. I found it downright funny that she wanted a "natural pregnancy" and uses organic baby food - she would breastfeed but her IMPLANTS messed up the ducts.
 
Dondrei

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SaroDarksbane said:
And I was saying that in my experience, it isn't. I was hoping you'd provide me with some reason to take your opinion on the matter, rather than just restating said opinion.
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I know that in the civilised world it's unpopular, of course America may be a different story.

Garbad_the_Weak said:
So you think building an 800 billion deficit in 8 years while fighting two wars should be more alarming than building a 1.75 trillion deficit in 3 months while pulling out?
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What you mean is, a 1.75 trillion deficit (minus the existing deficit) fighting a massive global financial crisis (not optional) versus fighting two unnecessary wars that accomplished nothing (optional).

What you should've done is gotten your deficit under control when you had the chance - in fact Bush inherited a massive surplus from Clinton, the first since the 60s, which he completely pissed away - so you'd be prepared to go into deficit to deal with a real crisis, which you have to do.



 
Garbad_the_Weak

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Dondrei said:
What you should've done is gotten your deficit under control when you had the chance - in fact Bush inherited a massive surplus from Clinton, the first since the 60s, which he completely pissed away - so you'd be prepared to go into deficit to deal with a real crisis, which you have to do.
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Yeah, we should have totally followed the example of all you inferior nations. We should start off by slashing our standard of living by at least a third, and abandoning all our innovations of the last 25 years. That would put us right at your level.



 
Dondrei

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Heheh, some Americans think the only countries in the world are them and the third world*. You'd actually have to raise your standard of living to beat parts of Europe.

*Admittedly, this may be a unique property of Americanus Internettus.
 
Moosashi

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The OTF seems as lively as ever. Garbad, it's been ages.

This administration's spending spree is based on Mickey Mouse Keynesian economics (animal spirits, too much saving, blah blah blah). But we can agree to disagree about what the right economic approach might be.

The real test of whether Obama really represents a new era of politics in the United States will be if he actually sticks to his economic guns when we start to come out of the recession. A good Keynesian would then begin to reduce taxes and reign in spending. Question for the liberals: Do any of you think that's actually going to happen?

My guess is no. This budget is a pretext for typical Democratic populism and perpetuation of class angst. When the economy turns around, they will take it as a sign to spend EVEN MORE. Then the economy will decline again. And they will spend EVEN MORE. Another question for liberals: what's different about any of this? Where is the change?
 
Dondrei

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Heh, love it when libertarians sneer about Keynesian economics. It's like hearing fundies sneer at "the cult of Darwinism".
 
Garbad_the_Weak

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Dondrei said:
Everyone in the world would have to raise their standard of living to beat parts of the US.
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Fixed for ya. Even with your cultural wellness factors and such bull**** we still always win.

Moosashi said:
The OTF seems as lively as ever. Garbad, it's been ages.

This administration's spending spree is based on Mickey Mouse Keynesian economics (animal spirits, too much saving, blah blah blah). But we can agree to disagree about what the right economic approach might be.
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Howdy, Moo. How's law school?

Keynesian economics just fails. TBH I was shocked to see reputable economists still claim it works. I studied the **** as an undergrad and I can't remember any economist actually buying into it.



 
jmervyn

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Garbad_the_Weak said:
Krugman is an economist in the same way Ann Coulter is a lawyer. Would you trust her jurisprudence on *** rights?
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I'm the wrong person to ask - given our nature v. nurture discussion you can probably infer my attitude about homos. I usually use the "f-word" but was recently harangued for political insensitivity; who knew? I also considered the term "wetback" to not be a racial stereotype, but rather an indicator of illegal alien status.

But hey, deny Ann or Rush a Nobel and they're still more credible than Krugman or Algore (or the previous winners, Arafat and Carter).



 
Dondrei

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Garbad_the_Weak said:
Fixed for ya. Even with your cultural wellness factors and such bull**** we still always win.
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Heh, you mean the part containing the 1% of your population that controls 40% of your nation's wealth?

Garbad_the_Weak said:
Keynesian economics just fails. TBH I was shocked to see reputable economists still claim it works. I studied the **** as an undergrad and I can't remember any economist actually buying into it.
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LAWLZ

They are all Keynesians now. Again.

Meanwhile the Austrian school is more on the lunatic fringe than ever.



 
AeroJonesy

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After Obama approves all the earmarks in the budget, and then whines about AIG bonuses, I have come to the conclusion that he is penny wise, pound foolish.
 
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SaroDarksbane

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Dondrei said:
Heh, you mean the part containing the 1% of your population that controls 40% of your nation's wealth?
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Not to distract you from your duel, but do you see a large rich/poor divide as inherently negative?



 
Garbad_the_Weak

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Jmerv, you read the most crackpot political sites I can imagine. Where do you find this ****?
 
jmervyn

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Garbad_the_Weak said:
Jmerv, you read the most crackpot political sites I can imagine. Where do you find this ****?
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Did you forget these: [sarcasm][/sarcasm]? Or have you really never heard of the Spectator?

EDIT - And Turbotax Tim notwithstanding, there's even <more> tasty corruptocrat goodness!
Fox Business said:
While the Senate was constructing the $787 billion stimulus last month, Dodd added an executive-compensation restriction to the bill. That amendment provides an “exception for contractually obligated bonuses agreed on before Feb. 11, 2009” -- which exempts the very AIG bonuses Dodd and others are now seeking to tax.
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