Hmm...Spirit really better than a Lidless?
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melianor
D3 Wizard Moderator
Well, it also adds +22 Vitality and a bigger amount of mana. 55% FHR is worth alot, you hit quite a few FHR breakpoints that way. Also 220 def v. missiles is a very nice mod, also the magic absorb.Healing said:
I think damagewise those 2 will be pretty equal, but Spirit has some mods that offer more safety than Lidless.
The added Vitality makes up for some of the extra invested Str, which is nice by itself. I would use this shield with Tal's set for any build.
Dennis_KoreanGuy
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Dennis_KoreanGuy
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Damnit I really hope Season 2 NEVER ends. :xflash:
Once ladder ppl start invading us good ole' NL folks they'll charge us like freakin 08valks for spirit / lawbringer / last wish all that new crap. How can a runeword made out of such crappy runes (or atleast considered so in NL) make such damn godly merc weps? HuH??? :xx:
I sorta understand how the Natives felt when white ppl sold them whisky and took everything. Lmao think of all the money you ladder guys will make off the new runewords.... Neone here know the lyrics for Run to the Hills by Iron Maiden by any chance? :xtree:
- Dennis
Once ladder ppl start invading us good ole' NL folks they'll charge us like freakin 08valks for spirit / lawbringer / last wish all that new crap. How can a runeword made out of such crappy runes (or atleast considered so in NL) make such damn godly merc weps? HuH??? :xx:
I sorta understand how the Natives felt when white ppl sold them whisky and took everything. Lmao think of all the money you ladder guys will make off the new runewords.... Neone here know the lyrics for Run to the Hills by Iron Maiden by any chance? :xtree:
- Dennis
Stormcryer
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What we have here really boils down to the classic debate that a sorc should not be extra strong. There is an old vanguard of sorcers who still hold to the belief that max energy, min ex, min str, and decent vit are the only way to distribute points.
I may point out that for many builds in pre 1.10 this held true. However, in post 1.10, blocking, DR, is now a more common theme in sorc builds. IN order to achieve this less points in energy, vit, and more in str and dex have to be allocated.
My first true Max block/DR tanking archmage wielded a Stormshield even though there was a heavy str requirement. I made up for it with life and mana SCs.
From what I've seen of the new +2 Skills (usually in a 4 socketed monarch), runeword, all it really has done beefed up a Stormshield for a really low price.
BTW at lvl 82, I have 136 in str thanks to bonuses from war travs and an anni. I am already at full max block with my upped viscer so I could easily allocate the points needed to run with a spirit.
What really irritates me is I just finished rounding out my latest archmage to use a viscer and rhymed trolls nest...If I had known that Spirit was coming down the line, I would have modified my build to accommodate right from the start. For those of us who run with archmages any chance at extra + skills is worth it.
Cheers!
Storm
I may point out that for many builds in pre 1.10 this held true. However, in post 1.10, blocking, DR, is now a more common theme in sorc builds. IN order to achieve this less points in energy, vit, and more in str and dex have to be allocated.
My first true Max block/DR tanking archmage wielded a Stormshield even though there was a heavy str requirement. I made up for it with life and mana SCs.
From what I've seen of the new +2 Skills (usually in a 4 socketed monarch), runeword, all it really has done beefed up a Stormshield for a really low price.
BTW at lvl 82, I have 136 in str thanks to bonuses from war travs and an anni. I am already at full max block with my upped viscer so I could easily allocate the points needed to run with a spirit.
What really irritates me is I just finished rounding out my latest archmage to use a viscer and rhymed trolls nest...If I had known that Spirit was coming down the line, I would have modified my build to accommodate right from the start. For those of us who run with archmages any chance at extra + skills is worth it.
Cheers!
Storm
Miladys-Knight
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As soon as I find a 4 socket Crystal sword my blizzballer will be switching to Dual Spirits (sword and shield) Should be superior to Occy/lidless with the 110 FHR it will confer. Will let you all know.
soulesschild
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in terms of an 95 ES Sorc, spirit sucks.Miladys-Knight said:
Miladys-Knight
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My ES sorc is a DTM sorc and this may make a huge difference. I'll have to rebalance my gear though.
soulesschild
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my ES sorc es/light/block pvp, would lose mana if i used this shield so i don't think its worth it for anyone going pure light/es sorc, maybe fb/orb esers though im still a bit sketchyMiladys-Knight said:
Miladys-Knight
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Hehe Meli,melianor said:That shield is only of use for a pure VIT sorc, no block.... says so the shield already -> +22 vit
My blizzballer is a pure vit sorc.....
melianor
D3 Wizard Moderator
Since i still have access to the chars that i used with the other people who were into our lvl99 effort i just made a Spirit Shield in Monarch this night and put it on one the Sorceresses (after finding some extra str gearMiladys-Knight said:
).Combined with Tal's set this Shield is very very very nice! With a perfect Shield you can hit the 105% breakpoint without even having any extra FCR gear besides the set and Magefist. This is apart form the life and added mana and resists the best thing i can see. You migh say that the str req is a bit high, but that is nicely compensated by the added Vit.
Spirit is an awesome Vit-Sorc Shield! Just the rolling of the varied mods can turn out pesky *blaeh*
def 271-347 (<wins)
lvl 41 (<wins)
str 58 (<wins)
40% CtB
+80-130% Enhanced Defense (varies) (<wins)
+1 To All Skills
Increase Maximum Mana 10% (<wins)
20% Faster Cast Rate
+3-5 To Mana After Each Kill (varies) (<wins)
+10 To Energy
+1 To Light Radius (<wins)
def 133-148
lvl 54
str 156
42% CtB (<wins)
+2 To All Skills (<wins)
+25-35% Faster Cast Rate (varies) (<wins)
+55% Faster Hit Recovery (<wins)
+250 Defense Vs. Missile (<wins)
+22 To Vitality (<wins)
+89-112 To Mana (varies) (<wins)
Cold Resist +35% (<wins)
Lightning Resist +35% (<wins)
Poison Resist +35% (<wins)
+3-8 Magic Absorb (varies) (<wins)
Attacker Takes Damage of 14 (<wins)
In short, Lidless gives you more defence at lower lvl and str req and more mana. Spirit gives you higher CtB, more +skill, fcr, fhr, more defence against missles, more life, and 3x 35% res!! (lidless has NONE).
Due to the +2 skill, the fcr and fhr, and the res. I'm going for Spirit!
lvl 41 (<wins)
str 58 (<wins)
40% CtB
+80-130% Enhanced Defense (varies) (<wins)
+1 To All Skills
Increase Maximum Mana 10% (<wins)
20% Faster Cast Rate
+3-5 To Mana After Each Kill (varies) (<wins)
+10 To Energy
+1 To Light Radius (<wins)
def 133-148
lvl 54
str 156
42% CtB (<wins)
+2 To All Skills (<wins)
+25-35% Faster Cast Rate (varies) (<wins)
+55% Faster Hit Recovery (<wins)
+250 Defense Vs. Missile (<wins)
+22 To Vitality (<wins)
+89-112 To Mana (varies) (<wins)
Cold Resist +35% (<wins)
Lightning Resist +35% (<wins)
Poison Resist +35% (<wins)
+3-8 Magic Absorb (varies) (<wins)
Attacker Takes Damage of 14 (<wins)
In short, Lidless gives you more defence at lower lvl and str req and more mana. Spirit gives you higher CtB, more +skill, fcr, fhr, more defence against missles, more life, and 3x 35% res!! (lidless has NONE).
Due to the +2 skill, the fcr and fhr, and the res. I'm going for Spirit!
I assume you mean 105 Breakpoint?
Yeah, the perfect FCR roll makes a big difference... hold lightning uses... whos BP's are all screwed anyways... I think this shield has alot of potential... but might just work better on a windy druid.. if you ask me... or a nice shield for my Singer Barb, but I will stick with lidless for now...
Yeah, the perfect FCR roll makes a big difference... hold lightning uses... whos BP's are all screwed anyways... I think this shield has alot of potential... but might just work better on a windy druid.. if you ask me... or a nice shield for my Singer Barb, but I will stick with lidless for now...