help with pvp lvl 30 and below items

[AceOfJacks]

help with pvp lvl 30 and below items

Greetings.

I personally do not play pvp, but I am compelled to make this thread as a result of my recent experiences.

A fw days ago I found a lvl 30 pair of jav gloves. I originally thought they were sub-par, but then I noticed the lvl 30 requirement. I put them up for sale, and they fetched me more than an organ set.

That got me wondering, "What gear do people look for when they pvp at lvl 30?" So now I ask the experts this same question. What do you people look for when you're a lld'er?

I'd expect that you'd want ias / +skills / res / and str or dex for gloves.
I have no idea what people look for in other items. It could be possible that I have found the godliest items and sold them to a random npc just because I didn't know what to look for.

I know this might sound insanely noobish, or just stupid ... but can anyone help me out? I need some insight on this topic.

 

[mystified]

I go a bit lower and trying to stick for around lv 18.
but as far as lld is concered at 30, most people want skill items, as many of 30 lld revloves around casters.
So anything with decent mdr is good, FHR, FRW and res on boots,
15 life SCs with additional options (FRW, FHR, max/ar)
LC/GC with same but plus stats
The best thing to do is check what lv a item has chance of producing certain suffix and prefixes. Closer to maximum is best for LLD. Or check trade value section for details on specific items

 

[krajee]

15 life SCs with additional options (FRW, FHR, max/ar)

15life scs cannot spawn with frw or fhr.

Replenish life is very useful in lld. Some even prefer that over straight +life on circlets/amulets.

 

[jakotaco]

I just lost a long post halfwritten due to a computer deciding it was time to shut off for no reason. Instead I'll write a shorter summary.

Stats people expect form jewels/charms: +Max dmg, +Min dmg, -requirements, defence, life, mana, attack rating, strength, dexterity.

Staple items (worth keeping)
Large Charm +15 Life (lvl 9)
Small Charm +15 Life (lvl 17)
Jewel +9 Max (lvl 8)
Jewel +15 Max (lvl 18)

The abovementioned are easy to trade, and are pretty common to find.

If a jewel spawns with a prefix and a suffix giving the same type of thing the above values might be exceeded. Here comes some examples of combinations.

Carbuncle Jewel of Wrath: +14 Max Damage (level 9)
Scarlet Jewel of Joyfullness +8 Min Damage (level 9)

Both of these holds very high value. Note that all these affixes are available on rares. Now imagine if all those would spawn on a single jewel...

Magic and especially rare jewels can have incredible value. Look out for combinations of these affixes for your level 9 chars.
Prefixes
Dun (12% DTM)
Carbuncle (+5 Max dmg)
Scarlet (+4 Min dmg)
Tin (+40 Attack rating)
Suffixes
of Freedom (-req)
of Wrath (+9 Max dmg)
of Joyfullness (+4 Min dmg)

Charms on the other hand can't spawn rare. At this level Large charms are most desirable. This due to the suffix "Of Life" (6-15 Life) Although, only the ones with +15 and possible +13-14 with a nice add holds value. But then a +15 with a nice add can have a considerable value. These 3 are the most sought for.
Prefixes
Stout (+12 Defence)
Lizard's (+7 Mana)
Bronze (+12?? AR)
Suffixes
of Life (+15 Life)

When it comes to rare items other than these it gets harder to spot a good one. Rings and amulets with str/dex (+2 on rings, +5 on amulets), AR (+80 max, +90 if together with light radius) and maybe Half freeze duration. Is what lvl 9s use.

Rare weapons at this level are most often beaten by clegs sword or 6 socket weapons with jewels. However rare Blade Talons with 2sox, eth/rep, ias, dmg/ar or maybe ctc amplify dmg or 10% ias can be very valueable. Similar stats on a throwing spear is valueable aswell.

Rare shields must have 2 sockets and deflecting mod to be worth anything, but then they should also have other mods such as damage to mana, -requirements or such.

Oh well, better click submit before computer dies on me again... if I feel like I might edit in lvl 18 items or possibly even level 29/30 items... But until then, use your common senses. Low level chars wants about the same things as high chars (life/mana/stats/-req/damage/skills/fcr). Although melee usually depends on +min/max dmg jewels instead of runewords for their dmg. And stats such as life replenish and dtm gets more noticeable.

 

[Uncle_Mike]

Thanks Jako, nice information package :wink:

:thumbsup:

 

[krajee]

Charms on the other hand can't spawn rare. At this level Large charms are most desirable. This due to the suffix "Of Life" (6-15 Life) Although, only the ones with +15 and possible +13-14 with a nice add holds value. But then a +15 with a nice add can have a considerable value. These 3 are the most sought for.
Prefixes
Stout (+12 Defence)
Lizard's (+7 Mana)
Bronze (+12?? AR)
Suffixes
of Life (+15 Life)

The max for +defense is +3 on a level 9 large charm.

When it comes to rare items other than these it gets harder to spot a good one. Rings and amulets with str/dex (+2 on rings, +5 on amulets), AR (+80 max, +90 if together with light radius) and maybe Half freeze duration. Is what lvl 9s use.

95ar is the max on a level 9 ring.

Rare weapons at this level are most often beaten by clegs sword or 6 socket weapons with jewels. However rare Blade Talons with 2sox, eth/rep, ias, dmg/ar or maybe ctc amplify dmg or 10% ias can be very valueable. Similar stats on a throwing spear is valueable aswell.

Rare shields must have 2 sockets and deflecting mod to be worth anything, but then they should also have other mods such as damage to mana, -requirements or such.

One more thing for vlld would be rare boots and belts. A level 9 kicker will most likely use a rare belt with some of the following affixes:
prefix
Snake's +5-10 To Mana
suffix
of Equilibrium 17% Faster Hit Recovery
of Regeneration 3-5 Replenish Life
of Light 1 To Lightradius, 15 To Attack Rating
of the Fox 6-10 To Life
of Might 3-5 To Strenght

while a jabber will most likely use a pair of rare boots with the following suffixes:
of Dexterity 2-3 To Dexterity
of Balance 10% Faster Hit Recovery
of Light 1 To Lightradius, 15 To Attack Rating

There are also barb-only helms that you may wish to look for. +3mastery/2sockets is the basic one, while mastery/shout, and mastery/fhr can be useful, too. Some people prefer a +3shout/3socket helm over a +mastery, but most agree that the "holy grail" (while being realistic) would be +bash/+mastery/2socket.

I believe that's close to all of the level 9 stuff you'll have to worry about. It's very difficult to be able to recognize what is good and what is bad without being a low level dueler yourself - I've even seen experienced duelers throw away items that are extremely useful.

 

[crawlingdeadman]

it's also about upgrading what you have already. i wanted those gloves because they'll allow me to remake with a lot less str and they had replen. the gloves i was using had giant str req and only two useful mods (2jav/10ias)

these are the old ones.

these are the ones i got from you

the difference is perceivable, i'll have 39 more life and the replen. 39 life doesnt seem like much but if that 39 life buys me one more arrow to knock off the last point of life then its worth it. the replen is just gravy. i admit i over-paid for those gloves but to me it'll be worth it.

also add to the list of keepable items are the imbueables(all eth "grey" w/o any sockets):
ancient/ornate armor
war javallins
throwing spears
blade talons
grim helms
grim shields

some people also imbue the class specific items like barb helms.

these are all disposable commodities like rolling pgems getting a good imbue takes forfreakingever. like pgems these will trade but anyone looking for them will want a quantity, not just one.

 

[ripitatthekeep]

3 socket mask with 3 flawless or P rubys (forgot req. lvl for pgems)
Twitchthrow armor
STRENGTH CHARMS BIG TIME
as many life sc's as you can

 

[crawlingdeadman]

strength charms are only useful till you get lifers. stats into str + life scs > stats into vit + str scs

used on a lot of builds:
deaths sash and gloves, sanders boots, bloodfists, pcrown (12replen preferred), vipermagi (35/13 preferred), viscertuant, clegclaws sword, cow king boots, eye of etlich (good starter ammy for lvl 30 caster), swordback hold, sig boots/gloves/helm/belt (for kicker), pelta luna, whitstan, nagel rings (good lvl 9 starter ring, 75ar preferred), angelic ringsx2 and ammy, sojs (of course), string of ears (15/15 preferred), twitchthroe, spirit shroud (on some builds), frostburns, and magefists are all good uniques and sets that are used frequently.

a lot of these are easy to find and llders tend to give them to each other on need. if you keep a decent collection around of these you may find someone wanting to complete a build quickly and pay a lot for say deathsx2 + angelic+twitch+ck boots all at once.

 

[mephiztophelez]

it's also worth noting that high-end "perf" LLD gear can fetch a very pretty penny from a dedicated lld dueller.

i know a dude on west-ladder who will pay a kings phreaking ransom for a 6max/ar/20 life GC.

 

[jakotaco]

Thanks krajee for correcting me... Was unsure on some points and tried to get something useful out of Arreat Summit.
And then I was ofc distracted by the though of how powerful a rare "Carbuncle, Scarlet Jewel of Wrath and of Joyfullness" would be...

 

[poroboszcz]

I just found a link to this thread in another one and I think you may find this information useful. Lvl rqs are in brackets :azn:

Grand Charms

Prefixes
(1) +3-5 Defense
(5) +6-9 Defense
(9) +10-12 Defense
(12) +13-15 Defense
(16) +16-22 Defense
(20) +23-30 Defense
(24) +33-40 Defense
(29) +44-50 Defense
(11) +1 Minimum Dmg
(5) +1 Max Dmg
(29) +2 Max Dmg
(1) +6-12 AR
(5) +13-27 AR
(9) +28-42 AR
(14) +43-57 AR
(18) +58-72 AR
(23) +73-87 AR
(29) +**-102 AR
(11) +10-20 AR & +1-3 Max Dmg
(16) +21-48 AR & +4-6 Max Dmg
(21) +49-76 AR & +7-10 Max Dmg
(6) +3-6 All Res
(10) +8-12 All Res
(27) +13-15 All Res
(1) +3-7 Mana
(5) +8-13 Mana
(9) +14-20 Mana
(14) +21-26 Mana
(18) +27-33 Mana
(23) +34-39 Mana
(29) +40-46 Mana

Suffixes
(1) +1 Max Dmg
(30) +2 Max Dmg
(1) +3-4 Dex
(10) +5-6 Dex
(1) 12% FHR
(1) 10-20 xtra gold
(5) 21-30 xtra gold
(14) 31-40 xtra gold
(1) +5-10 Life
(6) +11-15 Life
(14) +16-20 Life
(23) +21-25 Life
(1) +3-4 Strength
(10) +5-6 Str
(14) 7% FRW

Large Charms

Prefixes
(1) +2-3 Def
(10) +4-6 Def
(15) +8-12 Def
(19) +13-18 Def
(24) +20-30 Def
(30) +30-40 Def
(22) +1 Min Dmg
(16) +1 Max Dmg
(1) +4-8 AR
(5) +6-12 AR
(12) +13-25 AR
(18) +26-38 AR
(26) +39-51 AR
(14) +10-20 AR & +1-3 Max Dmg
(21) + 21-48 AR & + 4-6 Max Dmg
(12) +3-5 All Res
(26) +6-8 All Res
(1) +2-4 Mana
(6) +5-7 Mana
(12) +8-12 Mana
(18) +13-18 Mana
(25) +19-23 Mana

Suffixes
(19) +1 max dmg
(2) +2-3 Dex
(13) +4-5 Dex
(14) 8% FHR
(1) +6-10 Life
(9) +11-15 Life
(19) +16-20 Life
(2) +2-3 Str
(13) +4-5 Str
(18) 5% FRW

Small Charms

Prefixes
(1) +1 Defense
(15) +4-8 Defense
(28) +15-20 Defense
(1) +2-4 AR
(15) +6-12 AR
(21) +10-20 AR & +1-3 Max Dmg
(25) +3-5 All Res
(12) +1-7 Mana
(24) +8-12 Mana

Suffixes
(29) 5% FHR
(1) 5-10% xtra gold
(14) +5-10 Life
(17) +11-15 Life
(5) +1 Str
(16) +2 Str
(5) +1 Dex
(16) +2 Dex
(27) 3% FRW

Jewels

Prefixes
(1) 5-8 defense
(12) 9-20 defense
(24) 21-40 defense
(6) 1-4 minimum damage
(30) 5-8 min dmg
(9) 1-5 maximum damage
(27) 6-9 max dmg
(1) +5-10% enhanced damage
(9) +11-20% ed
(5) 7-12% damage to mana
(1) 10-20 attack rating
(6) 21-40 ar
(18) 41-60 ar
(2) +5-10 mana
(12) +11-15 mana
(21) +16-20 mana (magical only)
(12) All resistance +5-10
(26) All res +11-15 (magical only)
(1) +1 to light radius, +10 to attack rating

Suffixes
(12) 1-5 cold damage
(3) 2-5 max damage
(8) 6-9 max dmg
(18) 11-15 max dmg (magical only)
(3) 1-4 min dmg
(1) +3-8 life
(1) -15% requirements
(5) +1-3 dexterity
(14) +4-6 dex
(28) +7-9 dex
(6) +1-5 energy
(18) +4-6 energy
(13) +1-4 strength
(25) +5-6 strength

To add sth for items, there is some gear worth keeping in stash on ocasions:
nokazan relic and infernostride (priceless against fire sorcs or druids :wink3: ), hawkmail (can get in handy against cold sorcs). Biggins bonet cap can also be used on some budget vlld builds.

 

[Barrynor]

which duly changes the most desirable level 16 large charm into +3 max, +15 life. Sir, yessir.