help my psn nova-possible Uber?

[ploves]

help my psn nova-possible Uber?

help with my necromancer please!

ive started a necro, level 40 and I began laying his skills out to be a psn nova,and its synergies, dagger and explosion. When i get these maxed, will it be strong in Hell? when this 3 skills are maxed, can i pull off-.making him "good enough" for Ubertrist runs? In either cases, what skills should i get after psn nova is all set and done.

for gear.
soj,ravenfrost,engima,bramble, mara,shako,death webs, homon, trang glove,trek,anni, and 1 pnb gc.
thanks!

 

[canudig]

I think you'd need a tank for a merc or you'd need to invest at least one point in golem/revives.....

 

[illestkhmai]

If you've got enigma, why not just go with a summoner?

 

[Smackin]

Psn nec pwning ubers? Sure, dump the rest of ur points into revive, revive as many maulers as u can, give ur merc p um'ed kiras, ebugged CoH, and an E CV insight. Decrep the boss and let the maulers take out life, while u nova the hell out of them. ur best setup is as follows:

2/20 fcr circlet, if u can get one with 2 sox pump 5/5s in it
2/20 fcr ammy
enigma
trang glovez
trang belt
trang shield 5/5 psn
2x 10fcr/100mana rings(str and dex are bonus)
2/50 dweb 5/5
whatever boots u want

torch
anni
whatever charms u want

there is nothing that beats trang gloves, trang belt, and trang shield for a psn nec, nothing.

 

[jkra]

A necro can beat necro with just a bunch of udars.

I don't think poison will do any damage in uber trist other than stopping ubers' regen (someone correct me if I'm wrong). Go with a summoner if you want to uber with necro.

 

[Smackin]

-95res with 10k nova does nothing vs ubers? u gotta be kiddin me.

 

[naskali]

PLZ, dont even try to run ubers with psn nova. It just makes you sad. It's impossible or nearly impossible(psn nova vs norm bosses is hard enough)Trust me, im psn/summon necro and the only way to do ubers is to do them with summons like urdars.

Btw, Uber meph is immune to psn.

 

[Romasm]

It could work but only because of ur minions. There is simply no way u can beat them with poison only. U really need some Crushing Blow

 

[maiku]

-95res with 10k nova does nothing vs ubers? u gotta be kiddin me.

I think you're kidding us.

Example of Uber Baal:

650000-660000 hit points
Poison Resist = 75%

At best, you can get him to -25% resist. Good luck trying to Nova and lower the rest of his hp in a timely fashion.

Pulled directly from Arreat Summit.

 

[CoolDarkDragon]

meh i say find a dead guy and hit em with a poison explosion =D

 

[NumtyDoo]

I have a lvl 87 psn/summon, and I agree with naskali. You will find that 99% of your damage will come from revives(urdars) and merc's CB, assuming that your merc doesn't die too fast. The poison damage is neglagable, might make each uber die a few seconds faster.

 

[chien]

Assuming this:
650000-660000 hit points
Poison Resist = 75%

If you have 10k nova (2 sec). After LR (assuming lvl20, -62all), it is 13% resist. Assuming you have good gears (3 piece trangs and deathweb) and socket 5/-5 in helm, armor, shield and deathweb, you have have -50+ (-5*4)+(-25) = -95%. This bring down the resist = 75-62-95= -82. Just make it simple (not talking about the impact on poison length because of - poison resist). Uber baal will take 10K*1.82=18.2K/2sec.

Assuming he has 660K life, you can kill him like 35.7 nova = ~ 70 sec. Not as fast as smiter but not as bad as you think?

I have a pure poison mance with non perfect dweb, full trang and only socket 2 non-perfect facet in dweb and helm so far. I can kill Hell Big D no problem (yeah, he has 50 resist and about 114k life (113812)).

If you have uber Pnova gears, it might be doable

It will take longer for uber D and uber meph, though as they have higher poison resist (even meph's immune can be broken by LR). I think combined with few good revives, it can be done.

I don't agree the the Poison damage is negligible.

Chien

 

[NumtyDoo]

I have a psn/summon (10k nova, -90 enemy poison resist) and I have just done diablo with poison only, using clay golem as tank. Poison worked ok, not very fast, but reasonable.

What you are not taking into account, but you did mention, is that there is some kind of variable that extends poison length, and the length was noticably longer. So instead of 2 seconds, was like 3-4, not a huge difference, but enough to add 50% to the killing time that you mentioned.

Then I tried with just merc, he has 90% CB, I think he does about 6k damage. He killed big D easily 4 times faster than poison alone. So just my merc with CB is 4 times faster than poison.

Then tried with merc and 15 urdars, big D dead in just a few seconds.

So as you can see, your poison damage against ubers will be negligable.

 

[chien]

Yeah, that is true. However, I've just tried to answer the question (title: help my psn nova-possible Uber?). It is doable but slower if there is no help from merc's or revives' CB.

Chien

 

[Smackin]

I think you're kidding us.

Example of Uber Baal:

650000-660000 hit points
Poison Resist = 75%

At best, you can get him to -25% resist. Good luck trying to Nova and lower the rest of his hp in a timely fashion.

Pulled directly from Arreat Summit.

LOL, do some calculations and then come back.

 

[maiku]

Smackin, have you ever done it with a Poisonmancer alone and had him survive with ease?

BTW, I did notice that my -% enemy resist was off yesterday, but figured that someone would correct it. In Ubers, I have to agree it's mainly CB that gets the job done, much, much faster than poison alone.

If someone would like to try Ubers with a Poisonmancer *not* using summons and by himself and posting the results, that would be appreciated. With summons, basically the summons are doing most of the work and the poison is an addition. Calcs are good, but actual practice is better.

 

[NumtyDoo]

I have never ubered with my poison/summoner (use my fishy for that). I have done diablo and baal with him, posted the findings about 3 posts above this one. I would imagine with the ubers' increased resistance to poison and increased health that the advantage would swing even more towards CB.

 

[zuke]

If you haven't actually tried ubering with a poison necro and someone tells you it isn't possible, there's no reason to be offended. Either take the advice or try and disprove them.

Oh yeah, if you do take a poison necro into ubertrist solo, Meph will KILL YOU.

 

[NumtyDoo]

You can do it easy with a poison necro...as long as he summons 10 or more urdar revives and has a good merc.

 

[naskali]

If ubers take ~70 secs to kill(one uber) with poison hmm... lets think few thing first

First, by using trang armor you can not tele what makes you well...

And second, those brothers summon some nasty monsters which will become a real problem to you. Example: Uber dia summons those multi-immune Pit Lords and their psn can not be deleted by lower resist. So there he stands behind his summons and you will maybe hit him once in a lifetime because you have no eni=no teleport(even if you would have one you will still propably get killed by brothers/summons)

And what becomes to uber Meph, well... He still has something like + 80 psn rez and he will still be extremely dangerous(he is so fast) You cannot decrep him because then he is immune to psn. Clay golem maight slow him down a bit and if there are any cold mages it helps a bit.

Just run Ubers with summons and that's it. You don't need any psn on your way to hellfire torch.