Help Me Design A Lancer

razen

razen

Diabloii.Net Member
Help Me Design A Lancer

Evolution! ... just kidding
lancer barbs are the old classic builds. I remember when I first played, I always wanted to imbue everything, but my friend would always tell me to save them for the lances. fond memories.

I am going to revive some memories by bringing this concept back from the grave.

the only thing i am sure of is that he is going to use my 1300+max damage ebotd warpike. and accompanying that, max spear mastery.

however, outside of that, i have no idea what to do.

I am always tempted to put lots of points into the defensive skills (natural resistance/stone skin/increase speed... etc) but i don't know if that's a good idea.

i want to WW (okay, so 2 skills i know)
should i max BO and synergies?

i remember spear mastery is 50/50 dex-str to increase damage right? however, i want lots of life at the same time. so would my damage drop significantly if i don't invest in dex and str but to save them for vitality?

gear wise, i have no idea. enig? stone? shaft? blah... they all seem to have their advantages.

I am guessing pvp is not possible with a lancer, but at least i want to be pvm capable. by that, while i don't imagine i will be able to solo hell (since i will only be getting physical damage), i at least want to be able to do throne and various bosses.

is life leech super essential? or should i just get life tap?
would i even hit bosses with no dex? or do i need AR gear?

well... help me design the lancer!
 
razen

razen

Diabloii.Net Member
Re: Help Me Design A Lancer

the guided is pretty out of date in my opinion.

v.11 + melee char with base vit = not very good result

so i am lookig for something more balance: high survivability + awesome damage.

titan can only give me 1 of the 2
 
MYK

MYK

Diablo: IncGamers Member
Re: Help Me Design A Lancer

razen said:
titan can only give me 1 of the 2
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You're not quite right about that.

The guide mentions filling up your inventory with 18-20 life Small Charms and getting life leech.

Couple that with a decent Battle Orders and you can't do any worse than any other barb. I dunno, maybe you're not very experienced with a barbarian. You mention not being able to solo parts of the game. Not sure what that's about.

Outside of the Titan build... You've got one of the cookie cutter huge damage weapons already, so, you can't really mess up the part about awesome damage.


 
razen

razen

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Re: Help Me Design A Lancer

true, i am more of caster type of person. i dun have many melee chars. my previous barb was a total bum.

i read 4-5 guides on ww-ers so far (from the stickies), but they don't fit my need exactly by being out of date or simply written poorly (i done my hw)

i want to know what effects each things do.

like... 200 extra str points, how exactly is that affecting me? am i facing a 40% dmg drop? 200% damage drop? 200 damage drop?

defense skills... i want to know what's some of the proven methods that people do. are people maxing natural resist? are people maxing increase speed? are people maxing stone skin? if not... why? maybe not natural resist and stone skin, but increase speed seems to be linear in effect increase.

what about gear? i saw a guide that suggest lionheart. has that stickie not been updated since 2002? cause that's when i used lionheart. 2008 almost 1/3 and we still talking about lionheart? mods or whoever need to clean that sticky up.

should i cb much like how cb is important for a smiter? ias... since during ww, only ias on weapons count. does that mean i can pretty much get rid of external ias? if so... why do people suggest highlord? atma with amp damage seems a hell lot better to me.

how do i handle pis?

i hope to get practical advices like that. i don't want theories and formula, and all those mit/unc guides that are written by people that obviously never heard of al gore's "let's make crap easier for people to understand" campaign.

with all that said... help me design a lancer?
 
taiga

taiga

Diabloii.Net Member
Re: Help Me Design A Lancer

razen said:
true, i am more of caster type of person. i dun have many melee chars. my previous barb was a total bum.

i read 4-5 guides on ww-ers so far (from the stickies), but they don't fit my need exactly by being out of date or simply written poorly (i done my hw)

i want to know what effects each things do.

like... 200 extra str points, how exactly is that affecting me? am i facing a 40% dmg drop? 200% damage drop? 200 damage drop?

defense skills... i want to know what's some of the proven methods that people do. are people maxing natural resist? are people maxing increase speed? are people maxing stone skin? if not... why? maybe not natural resist and stone skin, but increase speed seems to be linear in effect increase.

what about gear? i saw a guide that suggest lionheart. has that stickie not been updated since 2002? cause that's when i used lionheart. 2008 almost 1/3 and we still talking about lionheart? mods or whoever need to clean that sticky up.

should i cb much like how cb is important for a smiter? ias... since during ww, only ias on weapons count. does that mean i can pretty much get rid of external ias? if so... why do people suggest highlord? atma with amp damage seems a hell lot better to me.

how do i handle pis?

i hope to get practical advices like that. i don't want theories and formula, and all those mit/unc guides that are written by people that obviously never heard of al gore's "let's make crap easier for people to understand" campaign.

with all that said... help me design a lancer?
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Taigas uberl33t lancebarb build:

Skillz:

20 Spear mastery
20 BO
20 Shout
20 Whirlwind
One point wonders:
Battle Cry (+1 all skill points)
Berserk (Thats how you deal with physycal imunes and IM)
Increased Stamina
Increased Speed (Debatable, since slower run speed means more hits with WW)
Natural Resistance
Iron Skin
I think thats all. Extra points go to Iron Skin.

Gearz:
Arreats (socket 40%ed add jewel or Ber for DR%)
Fortitude
Verdungos
Laying of hands or steelrends (not draculs, because i think lifetap does not work with ww. I may be wrong)
Gore Riders
Ravenfrost (For the CBF)
Dual leech ring maybe?
Highlords (for the Deadly Strike)
Alternative is Angelic amulet and two rings, for massive AR.
eBotD Spear of your choise
Anni
Torch
A lot of max/ar/life GC's or SC's
On Switch:
2 * +3 warcries weapons

Stats:
Str: enough for gear
Dex: enough for gear
Vita: all the rest
Energy: None

Or make a titan, with all points in strength and load up with life sc's/gc's.

Thats it.



 
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illestkhmai

Diabloii.Net Member
Re: Help Me Design A Lancer

It's not that lifetap doesn't work with WW, it's that it won't cast during ww's, same with Amp, thats why people don't use atma.
 
razen

razen

Diabloii.Net Member
Re: Help Me Design A Lancer

taiga said:
Taigas uberl33t lancebarb build:

Skillz:

20 Spear mastery
20 BO
20 Shout
20 Whirlwind
One point wonders:
Battle Cry (+1 all skill points)
Berserk (Thats how you deal with physycal imunes and IM)
Increased Stamina
Increased Speed (Debatable, since slower run speed means more hits with WW)
Natural Resistance
Iron Skin
I think thats all. Extra points go to Iron Skin.

Gearz:
Arreats (socket 40%ed add jewel or Ber for DR%)
Fortitude
Verdungos
Laying of hands or steelrends (not draculs, because i think lifetap does not work with ww. I may be wrong)
Gore Riders
Ravenfrost (For the CBF)
Dual leech ring maybe?
Highlords (for the Deadly Strike)
Alternative is Angelic amulet and two rings, for massive AR.
eBotD Spear of your choise
Anni
Torch
A lot of max/ar/life GC's or SC's
On Switch:
2 * +3 warcries weapons

Stats:
Str: enough for gear
Dex: enough for gear
Vita: all the rest
Energy: None

Or make a titan, with all points in strength and load up with life sc's/gc's.

Thats it.
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assume if i can't afford max/ar and C's... would that build be NOT viable then?
how much damage am i losing with vitality build over titan build? i am thinking about fort, hum... pure offense vs pure defense like stone... or tele + str of enig...

(which will free up 65 strength point = 65X3 amount of pre bo life)


 
sirwhere

sirwhere

Diabloii.Net Member
Re: Help Me Design A Lancer

I got a spear babo with 4k life and 13k damage before merc's weapon aura. He does pretty ok. Stuff goes slow at the river in large games, but other than that, he pwnz all.
 
BobCox

BobCox

Diabloii.Net Member
Re: Help Me Design A Lancer

I have Played from the old days. Still have the Name "cowwow" on one from pre-cow level days when it was only a rumor.
There is a Best Weapon here besides BOTD but it's hard to get.
Hone Sun Yari, Perfect 200% base and Eth to start then Upped, extraed RJoF etc in sockets to fit, It Rules on a Spear Barb. - Check it's stats I'm not kidding.
 
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sirwhere

sirwhere

Diabloii.Net Member
Re: Help Me Design A Lancer

The crusing blow on the sundan is nice, but you can get that as well using gui's helm and gore rider.
 
[exile]

[exile]

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Re: Help Me Design A Lancer

Remember to keep WW breakpoints in mind. Hone Sundan only hits the BP with 3x Shael, leaving you with mediocre damage.

EBotD Great Poleaxe and Ghost Spear are overall the best weapons for 2-handed WW. (GPA has lower requirements.) War Pikes have insane damage but only hit 2/3 as often as the above two, so your damage over time suffers.
 
MrOzio

MrOzio

Banned
Re: Help Me Design A Lancer

I was thinking about making one of these myself as I have fallen into the possesion of an ebotd Ghost Spear (384%). This is my gear build up so far...

Eth Arreat's (Zod)
Eth Valor (Zod)
Eth BotD Ghost Spear
Verdungo's
Raven Frost (2xx/20)
Rare dual leech ring w/ dual res and +str
Upped Gores
Soul Drainers (7/7)
Metalgrid ammy
2x +3 BO spears on swap
And a prebuff with a shiney little enchant wep

Skills
Maxed mastery
Maxed BO
Maxed WW
A few into stone skin/res
A few into faster r/w
A few into berserk (for magic dmg)

We'll see how he turns out. (just normally handling this spear give my little sword barb 5k+ dmg, I'm anctious to see it with maxed ww and mastery applied)
 
sirwhere

sirwhere

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Re: Help Me Design A Lancer

You dont need soul drainers. ebotd and dual leecher will be enough. Use laying or some crushing blow glove.
 
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