Help me a choose a videocard....

Slayer193

Diabloii.Net Member
Help me a choose a videocard....

I've got a list to choose from here, and im looking for something that's under $100 but is a decent gaming videocard...So far my friends got me thinking I should get Geforce 4 mx440...

GeForce 2 Ultra *no reflective water support / classic shadows only*

GeForce 2 GTS/Ti/Pro *no reflective water support / classic shadows only*

GeForce 2 MX *no reflective water support / classic shadows only*

GeForce 3

GeForce 3 Ti200

GeForce 3 Ti500

GeForce 4 mx420 *no reflective water support / classic shadows only*

GeForce 4 mx440 *no reflective water support / classic shadows only*

GeForce 4 Ti 4200

GeForce 4 Ti 4400

GeForce 4 Ti 4600

GeForce 4 Ti 4800

GeForce FX 5200 (if lock-ups occur in SI, use classic shadows)

GeForce FX 5600 (if lock-ups occur in SI, use classic shadows)

GeForce FX 5900 (if lock-ups occur in SI, use classic shadows)

All In Wonder Radeon *no reflective water support / classic shadows only*

Radeon 7500 *no reflective water support / classic shadows only*

All In Wonder Radeon 8500

Radeon 8500

Radeon 9000 Pro

Radeon 9500

Radeon 9500 Pro

Radeon 9600

Radeon 9700

Radeon 9700 Pro

Matrox Parhelia
 

CookiesnCream

Diabloii.Net Member
Slayer193 said:
I've got a list to choose from here, and im looking for something that's under $100 but is a decent gaming videocard...So far my friends got me thinking I should get Geforce 4 mx440...

GeForce 2 Ultra *no reflective water support / classic shadows only*

GeForce 2 GTS/Ti/Pro *no reflective water support / classic shadows only*

GeForce 2 MX *no reflective water support / classic shadows only*

GeForce 3

GeForce 3 Ti200

GeForce 3 Ti500

GeForce 4 mx420 *no reflective water support / classic shadows only*

GeForce 4 mx440 *no reflective water support / classic shadows only*

GeForce 4 Ti 4200

GeForce 4 Ti 4400

GeForce 4 Ti 4600

GeForce 4 Ti 4800

GeForce FX 5200 (if lock-ups occur in SI, use classic shadows)

GeForce FX 5600 (if lock-ups occur in SI, use classic shadows)

GeForce FX 5900 (if lock-ups occur in SI, use classic shadows)

All In Wonder Radeon *no reflective water support / classic shadows only*

Radeon 7500 *no reflective water support / classic shadows only*

All In Wonder Radeon 8500

Radeon 8500

Radeon 9000 Pro

Radeon 9500

Radeon 9500 Pro

Radeon 9600

Radeon 9700

Radeon 9700 Pro

Matrox Parhelia

I don't know all that much about videocards, but I heard the Radeons were pretty good. But what's the difference between Radeon 9700 and Radeon 9700 Pro ? And a few more questions, what does "SI" mean? And what is "reflective water cooling" and "classic shadows"? lol thanks.
 

SnowDrake

Diabloii.Net Member
Most of those cards you listed are NOT under 100 dollars... at least not in Canadian dollars, I don't know about American dollars.

I myself have been thinking about buying a Geforce FX 5200, simply because that's the only decent PCI card, and I don't have an AGP slot in my PC.

I don't know the prices in your area, but I'll go buy prices in my area...

GeForce 2 Ultra *no reflective water support / classic shadows only*

GeForce 2 GTS/Ti/Pro *no reflective water support / classic shadows only*

GeForce 2 MX *no reflective water support / classic shadows only*

GeForce 3

GeForce 3 Ti200

GeForce 3 Ti500

GeForce 4 mx420 *no reflective water support / classic shadows only*

GeForce 4 mx440 *no reflective water support / classic shadows only*

GeForce FX 5200 (if lock-ups occur in SI, use classic shadows)

All In Wonder Radeon *no reflective water support / classic shadows only*

Radeon 7500 *no reflective water support / classic shadows only*

The above are the cards that would go for 100 or less around where I live...

Of these cards, I think the GeForce FX 5200 would be the best as a graphics card... the geforce 4 mx440 your friends are suggesting isn't quite as good as an fx 5200 IMHO, since I believe the fx 5200 supports direct x 9.0 and mx440 doesn't.... however, the mx440 is maybe 20-30 bucks cheaper than the fx5200 (at least where I live)

Well thats about the extent of my input, so *yeah*.

I personally also like NVidia more than ATI... so that might be biasing my opinion....

I don't know what this card is so... yeah
Matrox Parhelia
 

Compman

Diabloii.Net Member
What your friends told you is wrong. The GeForce4 MX line of cards is terrible. They are no better than the GeForce2 line. I would recommend one of the following: GeForce4 Ti 4600 (or anything above), GeForce FX 5600 (or anything above), ATI Radeon 9600 (or anything above). Basically don't go with the older cards. They are becoming obsolete and you might as well shell out the cash now because you will need it for all the upcoming games. For $100 you wont be able to get the TOP of the line, but I'm sure you could find the FX 5600 or Radeon 9600 for around there with rebates if not a little higher.
 

SnowDrake

Diabloii.Net Member
Wow compman where do you live that you can get those cards for roughly 100? Here those cards are somewhere in the area of 200-300 dollars....
 

Slayer193

Diabloii.Net Member
Well yeah, i'm not looking for top of the line, i'm looking for something better than the video card that came with my pc(Nvidia Riva model 64 or something) so that I can play DAoC and get somewhat of an improvement in D2...

I know some of those are well over $100 but its just a list I got from a tech support website for DAoC. I'm basicly just looking for a videocard that can run this game, and possibly be an improvement in my blizzard games.
 

CookiesnCream

Diabloii.Net Member
Compman said:
What your friends told you is wrong. The GeForce4 MX line of cards is terrible. They are no better than the GeForce2 line. I would recommend one of the following: GeForce4 Ti 4600 (or anything above), GeForce FX 5600 (or anything above), ATI Radeon 9600 (or anything above). Basically don't go with the older cards. They are becoming obsolete and you might as well shell out the cash now because you will need it for all the upcoming games. For $100 you wont be able to get the TOP of the line, but I'm sure you could find the FX 5600 or Radeon 9600 for around there with rebates if not a little higher.
I heard the Radeon 9600 was worth 200 dollars around. Where'd u get it for 100 dollars?
 

fatmantan

Diabloii.Net Member
Guys, this would help if you just listed your locations.

I knwo for a fact that im in australia and most of you guys are from the us. Therefore we cant really compare the price of cards.

Firstly, are you looking for new or second hand?

Secondly, are we talking us dollars here?

Thirdly, Do you want the card for a long period of time and for it to last for the next generation of games? If so, you cant go pasta 9600 pro and better

For a mid card, that is the best atm. Best being 9800XT.

If youre an nvidia fanboy....then the 5900 ultra is for you
 

ButterFace

Diabloii.Net Member
You can buy a radeon 9600 se for less than $70 in the u.s. The se models are slower but are about half the price of the regular 9600 and u will see a vast improvement on most of your games over the card you have now. Also the fx 5600 is around $82. those are about as low as u will want to go. The 5200 performs worse than most geforce4 mx440's. So dont go that way. Your can find a good listing of prices at www.pricewatch.com if your from out of the U.S. some websites my ship overseas for additional shipping cost. So like the guy before said. Go for a 9600 or better or a 5600 or better. Then you should be set for a while anyways.
 

TheDarkSide

Clan Officer - US East Hardcore
ButterFace said:
You can buy a radeon 9600 se for less than $70 in the u.s. The se models are slower but are about half the price of the regular 9600 and u will see a vast improvement on most of your games over the card you have now. Also the fx 5600 is around $82. those are about as low as u will want to go. The 5200 performs worse than most geforce4 mx440's. So dont go that way. Your can find a good listing of prices at www.pricewatch.com if your from out of the U.S. some websites my ship overseas for additional shipping cost. So like the guy before said. Go for a 9600 or better or a 5600 or better. Then you should be set for a while anyways.
Um where at ? - I just bought a Radeon 9600 Se for 145 bucks at comp usa in Dallas , Texas . I wanted the 9800 Radeon but you need to be sure you have a power supply over 350 watts , mines only 250 watts . If not it wont run correctley from what I've been told because it has to have a power connection run to it unlike most video cards . But the Radeon 9600 Se is a nice upgrade over the Nvidia geforce 2 mx 400 I was running . I frequently see 140 fps when I do the fps command where I used to see 60 - 70 max . Of course D2 only runs at like 25 fps anyways but you will notice the difference , especially in places like Shenk , Trav , Baals throne ..
 

Slayer193

Diabloii.Net Member
I'm in Texas of the United States... And i'm gonna be ordering online...

Yeah, i'm looking for something that can run this semi-old rpg (dark age of camelot) and what I listed are the only cards that will support it. Then I want to be able to still run all the Blizz games still possibily better.

So... out of theses...

$68 - RADEON 9600 Pro 128MB
$68 - RADEON 9600 128MB


$54 - GeForce FX 5200 128MB
$48 - GeForce FX 5200 64MB
$48 - GeForce4 MX 440 8x AGP 128MB
$37 - GeForce4 MX 440 8x AGP 64MB


Which would be the best to go with?
 

DK7

Diabloii.Net Member
I'd go with a TI4600 or a Radeon 9600. Geforce MX cards are usually trash, I got a geforce2 MX when they first came out and I was pretty disappointed. And I read that the 4mx has minor differences, so maybe that's not the best route to take.


I checked at newegg which is probably the best place to buy computer stuff online, and the radeon 9600 is going for just under 100. If you really want to be a cheapskate (like me) check on friday nights, the refurbished (you can return it if it doesnt work) section is usually full with cards with anywhere from 10-50 bucks knocked off them, and I do believe they even give you free shipping. I got a TI4600 for 90 dollars this way, and it has turned out to be a very good card for me. I got the retail box, manual, driver cd, VIVO cable and it's from the same company and the PCB is the same blue color as my nforce motherboard. I've been playing the UT2004 demo with it and it has done fine, I can turn all the details on and run it at 1024x768 and still get a playable framerate which to me is 60+

Your cpu makes a huge difference too, if you're going to be using one those cards with a less than 1ghz processor, you'll notice an increase in visual quality but your fps will probably stay about the same.
 

DK7

Diabloii.Net Member
I notice you're going off what you see on pricewatch.com, those aren't 9600 pros by the way, the company selling them just listed them as 9600 pro. What else would you expect from someone with a -14 feedback score ;p
 

Usufruct

Diabloii.Net Member
Spend about $135 and get a Powercolor Radeon 9600 Pro. Runs quiet and cool to ATI specs and is quite overclockable. Best video card for the money in my opinion.
 

Cellestine

Diabloii.Net Member
I use an mx440 agp 8x 128mb ddr myself. Its not a bad card and I've had little troubles with it. I would recommend going higher though as it just can't stand up to the new features that will be coming out in games.
 

Usufruct

Diabloii.Net Member
I built myself a budget system.

Asus P4G800-V
Pentium 2.6 GHz HT running at 3.0 GHz
512MB Crucial DDR400 Memory (will upgrade to 2GB when I get the spare cash)
Seagate 120GB SATA HDD
Powercolor Radeon 9600 Pro (overclocked)

I can play most any game at great resolution, including UT2004. I consider myself an avid gamer, and I don't need more than a 9600 Pro. Plus it cost me $140, and is now $135.
 

Slayer193

Diabloii.Net Member
I think I might be going with the 9600... But how do you find out what AGP your computer has? Right now the videocard I have is in a PCI slot....
 

kockblocker1

Diabloii.Net Member
I recently bought a Vid card myself. I got a Radeon 9600 Pro from Compusa for $150. It came with a CD key for Halflife 2, and a $20 mail in rebate. Good deal I think.
 
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