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Discussion in 'Diablo 2 Community Forum' started by zvelena, Mar 12, 2004.

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  1. zvelena

    zvelena IncGamers Member

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    Help for Diablo addicts ...

    Hello, everybody!

    I am a recovering diablo addict. 26 year old girl no job, carpian tunnel syndrome... Ive been playing d2 lod online for the past two years like 6-8 hours a day. Playing and playing endless hours and i was so proud of my godly chars.

    But you know .. after playing a whole day i
    realized in the evening the phone had rung 4-5 times and i didnt
    answer, so i used to listen to the messages around 21:00 pm when my
    hand was numb, back hurt and eyes were red & dry. Then .. taking a
    quick look at the pile of still unpaid bills gave me an unpleasant
    feeling, but well, tomorrow was another day and i could do all i
    failed to do today. But tomorrow -lol- was the exact same story:
    waking up at 11:00 coz of the late night spent in trade & mf all i
    thought about was how cool yesterday was and the number of stuff i
    dropped from meph , countess or pindle and the great trades i had
    made; quick breakfast thinking about it , and thinking about that ik
    armor i had to trade today - only that, not more- today ill do all i
    had to do around the house, thats a promise!- so i used to enter "fast" on
    bnet just to trade that armor. So making a trade game, some noobs show
    up, who cares abut them with their -show all show all- finally another
    guy gives me a fairly good price but i want mooore, just one more
    thing to say its a good trade, come on, put me sth on the table here,
    i cant give u ik only for that !!! negociation gets hot, one hour
    passes, i send the guy back to his noob fellows and look for another
    one... another hour passes;... then i have to compensate for the loss,
    i say- i few meph runs and i can find perfect maras, lets hit meph....
    and once a d2 addicts hits meph, hes out of control, his time belongs
    no longer to him but to master meph he says when you can leave ... but
    its like a magic attraction, whatever meph drops its never enough you
    need more more more. Perfect maras are so rare. Perfect wts are so
    rare. I guess you cant contradict me on that.

    And my chars leveled up higher and higher and the best stuff was mine,
    best combination of skills, and I JUST RULED in sorcs, babas and
    amas, very few were as good as me, people were chickening out to see
    me in duel, and I rocked!!!!!

    And again phone rang 4-5 times while i was dueling who the hell is
    calling again - just let me be, i was triumphant in my little world
    where noone could beat me and i dropped so much cool stuff.

    Bills were unpaid plants were dry my nails were too long and not
    trimmed i was neglecting myself but so what. I could do all that the
    next day. I was doing everything else except the game just to have it
    done and off my back .. including my family...
    And 2 years passed ... just like that.

    Why did i keep playing for 2 years and i didnt notice the time passing
    by ? What has this game that makes it so addictive and fun to play ?

    The main reason why i did that is the direct connection between the
    amount of effort done and its reward. Make 50 meph runs and youre sure
    to get a lot of good stuff you can sell, trade or wear to improve your
    char. Comparing to real life, rules are set beforehand and they dont
    change much. The only thing that can change is the value of several
    items (like my self-crafted 3 sock ccbs that became crap with the 1.10)

    Try to work 5 days for an important exam : are you sure to get such
    good results ? it depends on your mood, inspiration, teachers mood,
    yur luck, etc. Try to prepare an important file at work, work late,
    stress about every little detail and do your best : are you sure youre
    going to make it work or to be paid a bonus ?

    Real life has much fuzzier rules : sometimes instead of reward you get
    nothing or you loose because of a myriad of complicated circumstances
    which escape you. The game offers you The Reward no matter what, may
    it be items, experience, even gold is a reward, right ?

    It is the opportunity to feel a better person and be admired by others
    through your chars and the manner to build them. Sounds like what we
    all strive so hard to accomplish in our lives: self-esteem, admiration
    from others, wealth. But we miss something here: maybe love ? ...

    Awakening from addiction often takes a violent shock. In my case it
    was that my husband hid my D2 cd from me. I looked up first with
    anger and astonishment: how dare he do that ??? *scream* *shout* *im
    leaving* *good so do that* *im leaving too* but in a few days without
    my cd i realized i had turned out into a stranger for him -
    socializing only when necessary and doing all i could just in order to
    get back to my game.

    I didnt believe him at first when he said i am addicted. How could i,
    i can quit anytime. BUT: in a few days without my cd i felt like a
    black hole, an emptiness and i panicked awfully thinking of my unsaved
    mules on ladder, one of them holding a windforce! That was a proof
    enough for me. I saw i couldnt stand not playing the game every day
    and i started to look at it very seriously. Next thing: having a break
    from continually clicking the mouse with my right hand obviously
    triggered a terrible pain in my hack and right hand, called carpian
    tunnel syndrome. As a result i couldnt move for a few days the only
    way to walk was looking straight ahead and each wrong move was like
    stabbing a dagger in my back.

    Each day passed without my cd was like a horrible test of pain. I
    started to walk around each room, incapable to do anything but moving
    items around and staring at the walls. I did a lot of thinking those
    days. I realized I felt like an alcoholic without his bottle , i
    realized my brain was in pain and it needed its drug, its items, its
    xp, its self-esteem. I was so sorry for it, sorry that i let myself
    sucked in, too afraid to tell it to any of my friends for fear they
    wree going to point at me with a pitiful smile, saying, dont worry,
    its all, it will be ok, but in fact thinking: what a weakling what a
    looser.

    And i still think some people can give you that look, if they even
    understand what your talking about. I saw a lot of insensible jerkish
    posts like "get a life, looser ... "

    getting help and letting it all out when you've crossed the line is the best thing to do, and it has helped me a lot. For a few days after ive been reaidng posts after
    posts, i wrote posts myself and i made announcements : "hello im a d2
    addict" it took me some bracing up to do that but it felt so good
    after it was out a part of my load was off me ; I saw how other poeple
    were dealing with addiction, from all kind of games. I even read the
    sad story of a boy who killed himself over everquest.. his mother is
    now founder of www.olganon.org , online gamers anonymous. Only
    specialized help or people passing though the same things can
    understand and help, give advice if they still have the means to do it.

    I have also started to take long walks in my town, i am planing to
    sign up for a swimming course at the town pool, i started to read some
    books and go out there finding a job. Everytime i do shopping i dont
    take the car anymore, but i walk to a supermarket which is farther
    then my usual one, i take my time checking out the products before
    thowing them in the caddie and i have a coffee in a segafredo cofee
    shop reading the newspaper.

    I recommend the same thing to you all who cant live without this game, if youre still in school
    and dont have the habit of doing any shopping , just sign up for some
    sport course in school or take your gf/bf every night for jogging
    together for 1 hour. Youll see when you get back youll feel so good an
    tired that even the thought of playing then would seem like a waste of
    time instead of sleeping.

    We addicts have to find replacement activities which can give us the
    same satisfaction as monster killing, item dropping, dueling and
    ruling eveybody else in the game. We have to move our focus of
    activities from the game to everyday life and find passions, hobbies,
    contests, things that make us happier, feel better about ourselves and give us the same heartbeat as the game used to do.

    i read -and i think its entirely true- scientifical studies have shown
    that the brain of a "hardcore gamer" a person entirely plunged into
    the game is producing a certain amount of dopamine during intenive
    gameplay. The satisfaction we take from game play can then easily
    compare to the effect of a drug which gradually becomes indispensable
    to the addict. I suspect my feeling of panic the first days i was
    delivered to myself wihtout my cd, was somehow connected to my need of
    this dosis of "dopamine" which wouldnt come and which i had fed to y
    brain for 2 years almost every day...

    If you say you miss your old life ... i miss mine too. The only
    thing i hope is that that game did not do too much damage to my brain
    and i wil still be able to walk out there as i used to before, work, learn, laugh, share good time with a lot of friends, and asses myself as the nice person i'd like to consider myself outside of the game.

    Take the advice from someone whos been there : dont play more then 1-2 hours a day, thats the max before you start loosing yourslef into it. Do as the manual says, take breaks and exercise.

    If you feel its taking over your life, have a break from it, give the cd in good care of a person you respect and dont ask for it before you feel you can play without risk of letting yourself sucked in; seek for advice from recovering addicts or professional help.

    Dont neglect real life: contrary to our chars on bent, as godly as they can be, we are flesh and bone human beings we have families and real friends to care for and not a bunch of pixels.

    I have recently founded a yahoo group to support diablo addicts and their families. Join if you want to share your experience with the others:

    http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Diabloaddict/

    Thanks for reading up to the end,
    Keep the balance,
    Elena
     
  2. Usufruct

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    Dear Elena,

    Do not ever, ever EVER play Everquest.

    But seriously, good job on the group, I'm sure you'll get some response from this community. Keep up the good work.
     
  3. toader

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    Wow...thats one hell of a first post. Welcome to the forums.


    The story you wrote was a very sad, but familiar one. I too once was addicted. I dont think to the same degree, but it was an addiction. I now only play about an hour a day, mostly just to chill and hang out with my freinds that play.

    Im really glad for you that you have broken free from your addiction. Im sure that it will give hope for those who are in the same position you used to be in.

    Anyways, great post, great story, happy ending for you :drool:


    I hope to see you around the forums some more. If you wanna hang out with a bunch of people that probably were in the same boat you were in....check the Off-Topic forums. Alot of people over there are former players that congregate here to chat about ANYTHING other than diablo, great group of people.
     
  4. Neurofuzzy

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    I probably play some 5 to 6 hours a week (yes, a week, not a day!), but that is enough to get some problems with my wife! I hope I never get so addicted as you describe ! Just one point: alcohol and drugs addicted require absolut no more contact to the origin of the addiction in order to get healed. Can a simple reduction of hours in game solve the problem, or should the D2 addicted give up the game completelly? Good luck for you. :thumbsup:
     
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    I agree with Usufruct. Do not ever, ever, EVER play Evercrack.

     
  6. ButterFace

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    I agree it is easy to get sucked into playing this game for hours on end. I am able to play at work on the weekends and sometimes I'll play for 4-5 hours. This is not everyday. I think of it as more of a fun time killer for me. Good thread, glad you are doing better.
     
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    I actually have decided that I am quitting this game for good(again)
    I have more important things in my life than this game, my 2 kids for example and my ex-wife who I am trying to reconciliate with.
     
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    Hmm... Am I an addict? I can't really tell. But I can leave the computer for a week if I visit my parents and so on. I also can leave the computer to do the things I have to do (studying, cooking, doing the laundry, walks, meeting friends etc). So I guess I'm not an addict.
    But I will always remember your post, as a reminder of what can happen to everyone. Thanks for the warning.
     
  9. zvelena

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    Hy Voldemort,

    If you've decided it *again* .. then this time hopefully youre gonna make it. I hope im going to make it too. I need my life and self-esteem back too ...
    You can join our group, read posts on other groups and share what youre going through ...

    But first of all: once youre sure about your decision, give the cd to your mom or to one of your kids to keep it hidden, tell them not to give it back even if you ask for it, take a DEEP BREATH and prepare for 1 -2 weeks in hell.

    Youll be too ashamed to ask the cd back.

    In the first 2 weeks youll be so bored with not playing - that youll practically jump at any opportunity coming up: going out with friends, concerts, reading a book. It will be boring at first but gradually youll re-start enjoying it.

    Get out every day to exercise - jogging, fitness , tenis - 1 hour.

    Eat at regular times and pay all your bills.

    Sounds grey and boring but thats what you have to do. Thats what i do and it works ok for me.

    wishing you all the best,
    elena
     
  10. Voldemort

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    I am selling my accounts and I am breaking the cd's I had quit for 8 months previously and now it will be a permanent thing. Thanks for the advice
     
  11. zvelena

    zvelena IncGamers Member

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    Can an addict keep within 1-2 hours a day ?

    Hy Neurofuzzy...

    As to your question if an online gaming addict needs to totally cut off contact with the origin of his addiction.

    Hum ... There are several hypothesis here:

    Radical people who say you never have to approach the game again, its the idea behind the advice given on olganon.org. You have to tear the cd to pieces, and hang out the pieces on a wall you can see all the time while at your desk. I fully understand their position, especially in the case when you loose your kid forever over a game...

    Analytical people say online role playing games are a kind of training ground for the life. That if you are rich and successful in the game, given the same amount of work and persistance, you can reproduce the experience in real life in the right circumstances. So they say: no need to break the cd, after all lots of people worked so that it can exist, you can sell it. You can also sell your chars, selling a godly account full of items and high level chars will not necessarity result into the buyer developping the same addiction as your unfortunate self did.

    I think im more in favor of the second hypothesis. Right now i still have all my 8 accounts, my d2 cd is on my cd rack, but im not playing. And i am not considering to start playing again.

    I am thinking however what would happen if i start playing "like normal people " and develop a new char, just to chill out and hang with friends. Will i plunge into it again head on and forget myself in front of the pc for days on end, like i used to do ??? I remember each day i spent playing was like a holiday for me, a special event. Will that feeling overpower my newly regained connection with the reality again???

    You see - i cannot give you a definitive answer to that. So for the moment i avoid playing even the normal dosis of 1-2 hours a day because i dont know how i would react.

    Thank you for your support,
    All the best,
    keep the balance,
    :innocent:

    Elena
     
  12. Xenon[XoA]

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    Yeah, I'll 2nd the 2nd'ing of not ever playin eq.
    I know what its liked to be hooked.. cause face it, I'm sooo far down that hole.. oh well. I tried quittin, sold my discs. 3 weeks later - couldn't take it, bought a battlepack.
    Most recent one, all of february, due to a unfortunate accident, couldnt play. So I'm hooked on MTG instead. A lot more expensive habit, though more human contact...Now its mtg withdrawal, back to D2. I just see no reason fighting the addiction : /

    March break next week doesn't seem like it'd help either...

    Oh well. Congrats on your breaking free.
     
  13. festers50

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    I blame Durf :drink:
     
  14. Wolv

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    A very courageous post.

    I applaud you and wish you the best. Real life should always take precedence over gaming....

    Wolv
     
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    good job! I am happy myself considering i now play about 30 minutes per week.. and only for not losing my characters! :lol: ... good to know real life took his toll and kicked d2 butt

    EDIT: I too was addicted to evercrack... was always at my friend's house so i could play.. so i took my distance from his house for a while... happy im off of that insane addiction too... though i still think its a fun game its WAYYYYY too much time consuming! :rant:
     
  16. Schwhat

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    OMG again? Didn't you break it up the last time? If you're really going to quit...



    do you mind if I..







    iron golem everything metal and precious you have??
     
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    Your post made me cry (at work)

    Dear Elena,

    I cried while reading your post and I'm at work. Your story brought back those two most regretful and unproductive years of my life (2000-2002) when I got completely addicted to Diablo 2. Our story on addiction is very similar. My wife almost left me because I never had time for her. Right after I get home from work I start playing, break only to eat (the food she cooks), don't even spend a minute to ask how her day was, and start playing until early morning. Woke up while she was still sleeping, play a little then go to work. At work I think nothing of Diablo and what my next "move" for uberness will be. In the weekends I only break to sleep and eat. Like you I became a stranger to my better half.

    One evening Feb 2002 I came home there were two luggages right by the main door of our apartment. My wife, teary eyed, (didn't even notice that moment because I was already about to do another MF run) said to me: "Raf, I'm leaving." My reply, "oh you're going on a business trip?" (For some reason I was like, "Wow more time to play!!!") She said, "No, I'm leaving you for good. I'm staying with my aunt and figure out how we're going to split-up in the least complicated way." It took awhile to sink in and I was suddenly hysterical: "Why are you leaving? What the *** did I do wrong this time?" She replied, "Are you really that blinded by your game? Can you still not see that for two years now you have completely neglected me? Yes, you have a job but it's not even enough to support the two of us. The money you make is only good for you but I have to work as well to make both ends meet. I see more advantage living without you than living with you." Then she burts into tears "I love you so much but I haven't felt your love for so long. I miss the person I married because I lost him to a stupid game!"

    Something inside me shattered. I ran upstairs, took my Diablo CDs out, came back downstairs and said, "I'm quitting right now," and gave her the CDs. "Do what you want with them. I cannot possibly lose you to a game."

    That was the beginning of a long, healing process. Days, weeks and months passed not playing Diablo I felt just like how you felt -- I had a total disconnection from real life for such a long time I was finding it very hard to reintegrate with real life. What ultimately helped in the healing process was joining an Everquest site where interacting with people like myself helped go through the difficult moments. Soon my wife and I were sharing good times again. A month after I quit playing altogether she decided to sell my Diablo CDs and account on EBay to help pay the bills.

    When the 1.10 patch came out I decided to test the waters of my reformed self. I told my wife and surprisingly she was like: "Sure, you know how to behave this time right?" I smiled and said, "Yup." Was the urge still there? Yes. Was the temptation still great? Yes. Do I play as much? Nope, but I do play a lot :). Did I become addicted? No.

    There is a big difference now with how I played the game then and how I play the game now. The difference is that Diablo takes the least importance among the things I like to do and the stuff I need to do. When it's time to eat, I eat and share the time with my wife (no rushing back to play) if dinner takes an hour or longer, so be it. Small things like this differentiate a gamer from a game addict. A gamer plays the game and has total control over the game, the game addict is controlled by the game.

    Congrats, Elena! Welcome to the reformed club and I wish you all the best that real life has to offer! I share with you the tears of joy that only we reformed addicts can brag about. :winner:
     
  18. zvelena

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    Hey Wolv,

    Courageous post ? geee thx..... but do I still have anything to loose ?

    keep the balance
    Elena
     
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    All I can say is wow :hanky: that was the most touching story/storys I have ever heard, I was too, an addict for awhile, for about 2 years. Although my stories dont quite compare you yours, because I had no one to show me what was happening, my mom was a drunk, and I didnt get along with her, and thats all I lived with, so I escaped with it. Played for hours, and hours, early into the morning...I remember lookin at the clock and saying to myself, wow its only 1am, I still have hours of time left, 2am-3am-4am-5am, I would just keep playing, the only time I would break is to eat and sleep (which was not very often) I lost weight, began to turn very pale, and I was also deeply involved in certain drugs. Finally my mother had enough of me and sent me to live with my brother (whom Im still living with). So off I went, to the state of kentucky, and here I lie, I still play D2 quite alot, but not nearly as much as I used to. Sometimes I sit and wonder, what makes Diablo 2 so addicting, I have heard many people call it the "drug" of the 21st century believe it or not, which is just completly and udderly sad and disgusting, as good as a game it may be, having a reputation like that doesnt go good with mom and dads, whom kids want to get it/play it. Most games, just die out within a year, sometimes not even that, but not this game... :scratch:

    Mabey diablo has its day coming...mabey not..either way, its still a great game

    P.S. Usu I love you avatar
     
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    Well, I still play diablo any chance I get (I get the chance when all of the real life stuff is done.) I don't consider myself a D2 addict because I really know what sort of addictive behaviour to look for because I quit morphine after a solid 18 months use. And if her 'first 2 weeks' were 0.000000000001% of mine I Soooooooooooo feel for you! D2 is a psychological addiction and that's tough. It's the same as any other addiction, except for the vomiting, shakeing, sweating, rithing in pain while curled up in a ball on the floor parts that you only get from good ol physical addictions.

    Congrats on quitting, and I hope you can stay pixle free! :) but if you're anything like me you'll have to stay completely free of the game, you won't be able to go back and play "a little" ... there's no such thing as a little morphine.. :)

    Good Luck!
     

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