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Help choosing WW weapons.

Discussion in 'Barbarian' started by je147, Aug 5, 2010.

  1. je147

    je147 IncGamers Member

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    Help choosing WW weapons.

    Hello.

    I am leveling a barb (37 atm) for counsil rune hunting. I play sp and i dont have runes for grief, oath, ebotd etc atm. I am using an upped steeldriver right now but need help with best endgame weapon(s) for me to use until i find runes for the better runewords. I have ik maul but lacking armor in set, butchers pupils, razors edge, ethereal hone sundan, most other unique weapons. What do you recommend from these or is there better options in other runewords.

    What armor btw do you recommend aswell. Dont have runes for fort. But do have duress, lionheart and most other unique armors.

    Thanks beforehand...
     
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    Re: Help choosing WW weapons.

    My council runner was using an upgraded ribcracker (socketed with a Shael). If you don't have a high %ED one you could upgrade the Hone Sundan you have instead and put 3 Shaels in it.

    Armor choice is between Duress and Lionheart (your own preference), mostly. An alternative option to a sort of baby fort is using a Black Hades socketed with 3 XX%ED to demons jewels.
     
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    Re: Help choosing WW weapons.

    Thanks.

    So the ribcracker beats Eth Hone Sundan with 3 shaels in it damage wise? Or is it the WW breakpoint and the comparable damage stats? I have one with 238 %ED on it if so. Black Hades was a nice tip will defintly try that one.
     
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    Re: Help choosing WW weapons.

    Both hit the same speed and do roughly the same damage, but a Ghost Spear has very different stat requirements from a Stalagmite and an upped Ribcracker is IMO more recyclable and has better secondary stats. On the other side the Ghost Spear has better range but I never cared for that.

    To give a damage comparison:

    A 200% ED eth upped Hone Sundan does ~419 average base damage.
    A 150% ED eth upped Hone Sundan does ~354 average base damage.

    A 238% ED upped Ribcracker does ~354 average base damage.
     
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    Re: Help choosing WW weapons.

    Perfect. Thank you very much Stephan!
     
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    Re: Help choosing WW weapons.

    Btw what calculator did you use?
     
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    Re: Help choosing WW weapons.

    Oath BB does more dmg than both of those though. And a decent eth upped hone is pretty expensive!
    Also for armor the peace runeword is good for crit bonus
     
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    Re: Help choosing WW weapons.

    It's SP. He said he can't make Oath and has an eth Hone Sundan already. Besides, a bad roll on the Oath and the damage difference is more than offset by the difference in CB.

    A Casio fx-82 super. It's a little old, but it still works. ;)



     
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    Re: Help choosing WW weapons.

    perf upped hone: 420 damage
    perf oath bb: 571 damage

    45% cb damage to 12k life monster at half life: 0.45*0.25*6000=675

    amount of ED after which oath is better(assuming +10 dmg from charms for both, +25 oath ed, 72% double damage):

    581*(x+0.25)*1.72>430*x*1.72 +675
    x = 42517/25972 , which is 64 ED. Not that hard to get, methinks.



     
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    Re: Help choosing WW weapons.

    Unless I misinterpret your numbers, that's about half of all Oaths on a roll range of 130 %ED.

    EDIT: I think I misinterpret your numbers and you misinterpret my previous post. When I mean a bad roll on the Oath I don't mean you roll a perfect one.



     
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    Re: Help choosing WW weapons.

    Yeah.. the off weapon ED was the variable, assumed perfect on weapon ed on both weapons



     
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    Re: Help choosing WW weapons.

    Like I said in my in the edit of my previous post, this does not adress my comment (bad roll on the Oath).

    I'm also not sure about your CB math. The amount of damage from CB is highly dependant on monster HP/damage ratio. I'm not going to argue too much anymore about it though, since he can't make Oath anyway.



     
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    Re: Help choosing WW weapons.

    kk both unperf then

    unperf upped hone: 368 damage
    unperf oath bb: 402 damage

    45% cb damage to 12k life monster at half life: 0.45*0.25*6000=675

    amount of ED after which oath is better(assuming +10 dmg from charms for both, +25 oath ed, 72% double damage):

    412*(x+0.25)*1.72>378*x*1.72 +675
    x = 6223/731 , which is 750 ED. Still fairly easy to get a setup where oath BB is more damaging though not trivial any more
     
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    Re: Help choosing WW weapons.

    Technically, there is an SPF approved mod that allows ladder-only runewords.

    Eth Hone is typically merc use unless you really want to throw a zod in it....

    Would rather save the runes for trade (or something else like a CTA or grief) vs making an Oath.
     
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    Re: Help choosing WW weapons.

    Hone Sundans have the self repair mod so you don't need a zod.

    Cheers

    Pif
     
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    Re: Help choosing WW weapons.

    An everyday calculator can find those out too. Thats how I do my calculations.


     

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