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Has 1.10 Whirlwind speed changed from 1.09?

Discussion in 'Barbarian' started by Shadoway, Mar 13, 2004.

  1. Shadoway

    Shadoway IncGamers Member

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    chubbypuppy IncGamers Member

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    Easy to calculate WW

    WW breakpoints are -30 and -60.

    Only the weapon base speed and the IAS on it counts for WW. IAS from eq does not count.

    For example: If you have a weapon that has a base speed of 10, and it has 2 Shaels on it (40% ias), you would get 10-40=-30 ias, hitting the first breakpoint.
     
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    Shadoway IncGamers Member

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    You sure? Then, it must has changed. It was -8 and -34 from the calculator.
     
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    UManTarget IncGamers Member

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    How much of a difference does that second break point (-60) make? Should I socket my ik maul with 2 shaels or 2 ed jewels, since it can reach the first breakpoint without any shaels.

    Or should I use 2 ed/ias jewels? Since I'm on ladder these are really rare, so would it be wasting them to use on just an ik maul?
     
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    Whirlwind breakpoints.
    -10 and -35 for all one-handed weapons and all swords
    -10, -30, and -60 for all two-handed weapons

    Dual shael that IK maul.
     
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    So what about upgraded Hone Sundan with 3 shaels?

    U dont know it's base attack speed..
     
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    Upgraded Hone Sundan is a Ghost Spear, so it's base attack speed is 0. So yeah, 3 shaels take it down to the last bp.

    -Hal
     
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    Yes Hone Sundan with 3 Shaels reaches the -60 breakpoint since base is 0. It's one of the best WW weapons in the game, and one of the only 2 uniques in the whole game (the other is Viperfork) that can reach 8 frames per whirl.

    My level 61 baba is using one in Hell now. No problems killing things in 3 player games, have only died in NM due to IM. I haven't upgraded it to elite yet, which nearly doubles it's damage since the damage on exceptional spears is so bad, and I only have 2 shaels in it, still looking for a third shael (so I only get 7 whirls) :scratch: .
    I have pretty average equip: LOH, IK boot, belt, helm (2 ptopaz), Black Hades (3 ptopaz), dual leech ammy. AR is a bit of a problem but War Cry solves that, and with a 2 handed weapon you can afford to use weapon switch to War Cry with dual echoing weapons.

    As a comparison, a high ed, upgraded Hone Sundan does about 2x the damage of the IK maul (8 whirls vs 5), which when you remember how good the IK maul is heck of a lot of damage.
     
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    Hal, was wondering which of the two ghost spear and poleaxe would be better to use for eth botd i know both have same average damage but wondered if the less dex req the poleaxe has would make it better

    thanks
     
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    Yeah, the general concensus is that the great poleaxe is better, since it takes less dex and more str; dex just adds a tiny amount of AR, and if you're not using a shield, is pretty much worthless. Str, on the other hand, will boost the damage up some, which is nice for whirlwind, since it doesn't get much.

    -Hal
     
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    very cool thank you
     
  12. Shadoway

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    Thanks a lot! That's all I need.
     

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